[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think it's just the way his brain works.

I like him as you know, I don't think he is manipulative in any malicious way,he is a strongly willed and opinionated individual who I would say is more persuasive than manipulative.

I get the comments sometimes from people that Joel gets because after studying politics at Uni,I l look and listen to Joel and can see a lot of the way I am and go around things.

For Joel in there, his interests are not of real interest to most, he cannot get an in depth discussion going on things he would love to talk about, so in much the same way as he would engage,if he was able to talk about he things he wanted to,he does so in general conversation which seems to get their backs up.
For the way he analyses and digs deeper into the reasons for their decisions that they have made, he probably also knows, that they make decisions not their own.

Cristian made a good point to him last night that he goes on and on to much, I am guilty of that too, so I smiled when Cristian said that.
I found it funny last night when he was talking to Sam,he knew she just goes along with a crowd but then can agree with those she at that time did not agree with.
I honestly think Sam hadn't a clue what to say so she walked off too because he had really exposed her true self.

Anyway, here I am now going on and on , I guess were I in the BB house I would be hated on here since really I am like Joel in a good few ways.
I do analyse almost everything, I will say my opinion and challenge others,(in a fair way), as I like others challenging mine too but I do also,once I get into something, go at it like a dog with a bone ad I know that has irritated even friends in the past.
It is not however being manipulative,I may never change others minds,however neither will I back down from my own position either once I believe I am in the right.