[ItWasJustBanter]

Frozen Duck

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...she was completely right, why was there a reason for him to move beds...as always, Nick trying to distance himself from someone that he thinks won't be good for him in the public's perception....

He was just fed up of the arguments. I don't blame him.
Harry is a nightmare. Very argumentative.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...she was completely right, why was there a reason for him to move beds...as always, Nick trying to distance himself from someone that he thinks won't be good for him in the public's perception....

Idk isn't he entitled to a bit of space after she's gone mental? In the outside world you would never be together all the time like that. People go to work, they go home (if they aren't living togther). I don't really see anything wrong with him wanting a little privacy/personal space to sleep in after an evening of high drama in the house. It's not like they are married and he's sleeping apart from her, come to that even married people sometimes sleep apart after rows.

I found her trying to wake him up and then insisting he got in bed with her because she couldn't sleep without him rather stalkerish and creepy. Remember Nick is very young still and frankly her moods must be quite hard to live with.

[VanessaFeltz.]

what happened?

Darnell is the creepiest hm ever she was so desperate. So despared that he even played in a porn

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Idk isn't he entitled to a bit of space after she's gone mental? In the outside world you would never be together all the time like that. People go to work, they go home (if they aren't living togther). I don't really see anything wrong with him wanting a little privacy/personal space to sleep in after an evening of high drama in the house. It's not like they are married and he's sleeping apart from her, come to that even married people sometimes sleep apart after rows.

I found her trying to wake him up and then insisting he got in bed with her because she couldn't sleep without him rather stalkerish and creepy. Remember Nick is very young still and frankly her moods must be quite hard to live with.

He just wanted some peace and quiet.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Idk isn't he entitled to a bit of space after she's gone mental? In the outside world you would never be together all the time like that. People go to work, they go home (if they aren't living togther). I don't really see anything wrong with him wanting a little privacy/personal space to sleep in after an evening of high drama in the house. It's not like they are married and he's sleeping apart from her, come to that even married people sometimes sleep apart after rows.

I found her trying to wake him up and then insisting he got in bed with her because she couldn't sleep without him rather stalkerish and creepy. Remember Nick is very young still and frankly her moods must be quite hard to live with.

..if I believed that it was about having space then maybe I could agree with what you say but I honestly don't believe that and think it was yet again his agenda to make her look bad/make the whole thing look much worse which is something that he has excelled himself at where Harry is concerned throughout the whole show...if he was a friend/'a true friend' then of all the times she needed a hug it was then...he was very vocal in intimating that she, 'his good friend' was all kinds of looney so wouldn't a hug be what was appropriate...he wouldn't have spent so much time with her and in bed with her in such close contact as he has in the show if he was in any way 'frightened' or whatever....with the thing with Chloe/Jack..?...she was hypocritical in how she prefers others to be when she's talking to someone and she immediately saw that and admitted it...but why did Nick feel the need to point it out in such a way, while a situation was heightened already..why didn't he wait until later and talk to her one to one...isn't that what a 'friend' would do..?...so his whole friendship with her/there whole 'closeness'...to me has been a complete hypocritical thing for him....(that last bit sort of makes sense...../I'm a bit tired but I know what I mean..)...I really, really think so far as character is concerned he doesn't even rise to meet half or a fraction of what Harry is and has shown in the house....

[Vanessa]

I bet when they get out Nick will run like the wind.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I bet when they get out Nick will run like the wind.

..that's good Vanessa because Nick isn't a friend or friendship that she needs to try to instil and restore a trust in people...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that's good Vanessa because Nick isn't a friend or friendship that she needs to try to instil and restore a trust in people...

I don't blame him . She's a nightmare

[Ammi]

..I would like to see her win and then see how quickly Nick runs...like the wind and into her arms...and into her income potential of course, into her limelight....

[Vanessa]

Urgh. She better not win. She's a moron!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..if I believed that it was about having space then maybe I could agree with what you say but I honestly don't believe that and think it was yet again his agenda to make her look bad/make the whole thing look much worse which is something that he has excelled himself at where Harry is concerned throughout the whole show...if he was a friend/'a true friend' then of all the times she needed a hug it was then...he was very vocal in intimating that she, 'his good friend' was all kinds of looney so wouldn't a hug be what was appropriate...he wouldn't have spent so much time with her and in bed with her in such close contact as he has in the show if he was in any way 'frightened' or whatever....with the thing with Chloe/Jack..?...she was hypocritical in how she prefers others to be when she's talking to someone and she immediately saw that and admitted it...but why did Nick feel the need to point it out in such a way, while a situation was heightened already..why didn't he wait until later and talk to her one to one...isn't that what a 'friend' would do..?...so his whole friendship with her/there whole 'closeness'...to me has been a complete hypocritical thing for him....(that last bit sort of makes sense...../I'm a bit tired but I know what I mean..)...I really, really think so far as character is concerned he doesn't even rise to meet half or a fraction of what Harry is and has shown in the house....

I dont really view them in the same way and I don't think Jack deserved what she did and said. After the incident with Chloe, Harry went looking for a further fight with Jack. He's not her in house 'boyfriend love rabbit' so he doesn't really have to put up with her ****. He was hurt because a close friend said he was untrustworthy in her eyes. He is entitled to have feelings and express them. I don't have any problems with him passing comment or complaining about nomination reasons, he isn't the only one to do it, many of them do it, no one really likes it, particularly Joel, but Jack is the one constantly vilified for it. I think it's fairly human to question criticism.

Going back to Harry and Nick he's very young and her mood swings must be hard to deal with and we can't deny she's moody. I dont think he has the experience or emotional range to deal with her but that isn't necessarily a bad thing or fault, I think a lot of people would struggle with such a volatile partner. I don't think love or close friendship means you must agree with the other person even when they behave badly relationships don't work like that and often its the people we are closest to who call us on our ****. As to cuddles sometimes we just need a bit of space after high drama and its not the time for kissing and making up. I don't think Nick was deliberately trying to make her look bad, honestly I think she manages that quite well on her own. I think he genuinely just wanted a break and probably didn't put much more thought into it than that.

[jaxie]

I wanted to add to my previous post in relation to Jack questioning nominations. If we all took others comments on the chin and didn't argue back or have our say in response, this forum would be quiet and defunct!

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I wanted to add to my previous post in relation to Jack questioning nominations. If we all took others comments on the chin and didn't argue back or have our say in response, this forum you would be quiet and defunct!

its not only that. When someone criticises you, and you don't see an obvious reason for it, you want to understand why someone came to that conclusion so you question it. The problem is that it was underlined by a rubbish poll from viewers. I feel quite sorry for Jack, it must be mentally difficult to receive that feedback when you are sure in your own mind you did nothing wrong

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its not only that. When someone criticises you, and you don't see an obvious reason for it, you want to understand why someone came to that conclusion so you question it. The problem is that it was underlined by a rubbish poll from viewers. I feel quite sorry for Jack, it must be mentally difficult to receive that feedback when you are sure in your own mind you did nothing wrong

It must be and it must really smack at his self esteem. I think people often forget this is a kid who works in macdonalds. What are his life prospects without a show like this? People like Nick will go back to their privilidged lives, what does Jack go back to? I don't want to harp on appearance but he isn't handsome, he is over weight and he probably has enough self esteem issues already. Then on top of that people are booing him, people coming into the house and now people he thought were friends are barraging him with criticism about how he acts or is. The sad thing is he hasn't actually done any of the things he is being accused of, he's been loyal and quite generous to other housemates. If I were in his position I certainly wouldn't have sacrificed myself to nomination for Chloe the way he did. Then he is damned for it, called untrustworthy and told he keeps bringing it up after being asked for an example.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I dont really view them in the same way and I don't think Jack deserved what she did and said. After the incident with Chloe, Harry went looking for a further fight with Jack. He's not her in house 'boyfriend love rabbit' so he doesn't really have to put up with her ****. He was hurt because a close friend said he was untrustworthy in her eyes. He is entitled to have feelings and express them. I don't have any problems with him passing comment or complaining about nomination reasons, he isn't the only one to do it, many of them do it, no one really likes it, particularly Joel, but Jack is the one constantly vilified for it. I think it's fairly human to question criticism.

Going back to Harry and Nick he's very young and her mood swings must be hard to deal with and we can't deny she's moody. I dont think he has the experience or emotional range to deal with her but that isn't necessarily a bad thing or fault, I think a lot of people would struggle with such a volatile partner. I don't think love or close friendship means you must agree with the other person even when they behave badly relationships don't work like that and often its the people we are closest to who call us on our ****. As to cuddles sometimes we just need a bit of space after high drama and its not the time for kissing and making up. I don't think Nick was deliberately trying to make her look bad, honestly I think she manages that quite well on her own. I think he genuinely just wanted a break and probably didn't put much more thought into it than that.

..yeah we don't view it the same way but isn't that the 'magic' of BB and people watching at it's ultimate because we all see the same things but view them differently for many reasons, I think....before anything further with Harry and Jack, Nick had already very vocally called her a hypocrite and kept repeating it and repeating it immediately afterwards in full Victor Meldrew mode to anyone who would listen to him....'I don't belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve it/she did/said that....'....well yes she did say it, she did do it and immediately owned 'hypocrite' but it wasn't as if she does it all of the time and constantly...it was more or less a one off thing and Nick immediately pounced on it/immediately called it etc and no I don't deny that she has very complicated moods and emotions, which he so quickly picks up on and points out 'to the public' with no delay and every single time..(imo..)...with friends like that, who needs enemies etc.... you're right, Harry does very well on her own so why the need from Nick to be constantly both reinforcing it to her and the public all of the time...you know, when all is said and done, isn't he meant to be her friend and it was a tough and rough evening for her more than anyone else, whether she brought any or all of it on herself doesn't really matter in a true friendship which is what he's portrayed to have with her...he played a large part in that tough evening himself by so quickly calling what was quite a rare hypocritical moment from what I've seen of her in the house in such an awful way...and then took himself off from giving her any comfort at all...she was right, there was no reason for him to change beds other than for me he's trying to distance himself from her because he's worried about himself in their friendship....that's been something that has been quite consistent with Nick and much more consistent than any hypocrisy from Harry... she 'owns' who she is/her character and he does not at all with his...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah we don't view it the same way but isn't that the 'magic' of BB and people watching at it's ultimate because we all see the same things but view them differently for many reasons, I think....before anything further with Harry and Jack, Nick had already very vocally called her a hypocrite and kept repeating it and repeating it immediately afterwards in full Victor Meldrew mode to anyone who would listen to him....'I don't belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve it/she did/said that....'....well yes she did say it, she did do it and immediately owned 'hypocrite' but it wasn't as if she does it all of the time and constantly...it was more or less a one off thing and Nick immediately pounced on it/immediately called it etc and no I don't deny that she has very complicated moods and emotions, which he so quickly picks up on and points out 'to the public' with no delay and every single time..(imo..)...with friends like that, who needs enemies etc.... you're right, Harry does very well on her own so why the need from Nick to be constantly both reinforcing it to her and the public all of the time...you know, when all is said and done, isn't he meant to be her friend and it was a tough and rough evening for her more than anyone else, whether she brought any or all of it on herself doesn't really matter in a true friendship which is what he's portrayed to have with her...he played a large part in that tough evening himself by so quickly calling what was quite a rare hypocritical moment from what I've seen of her in the house in such an awful way...and then took himself off from giving her any comfort at all...she was right, there was no reason for him to change beds other than for me he's trying to distance himself from her because he's worried about himself in their friendship....that's been something that has been quite consistent with Nick and much more consistent than any hypocrisy from Harry... she 'owns' who she is/her character and he does not at all with his...

I do feel sorry for her because she clearly does have some issues and sometimes that means someone needs help and understanding but I don't agree that people who have known her a few weeks, even if close to her should be responsible for her or have to put up with her when she behaves badly. She who shouts loudest isn't necessarily 'the truth' of the situation. I don't think Harry is suited to BB and I'm somewhat surprised she got through, don't they have a psych test? I thought they did. I just think that because he is close to her Nick is more on the receiving end and just doesn't know how to deal with it. Sometimes he tries to make jokey comments to lighten the mood and she totally takes it the wrong way. Take my wife jokes are the bread and butter of many a comedian but most of us just laugh it off. Harry immediately thinks anything like that is a personal insult and she is being disrespected. It really must be exhausting specially for someone with his lack of experience. Don't get me wrong I'm not a Nick fan but I don't think he is out to get her or out to make her look bad.

We can agree to disagree anytime, I still think you are lovely Ammi!

[Semtex]

I thought Daley by himself in the bedroom talking about Hazel was way creepier than that.

[DemolitionRed]

I have gone back and forth with Harry; its been a real love hate thing, but last night put me off her completely.

I reckon Harry will of gained a lot of votes to get her out after last nights viewing and I would happily put money on her being out on Friday.

Yes, her eyes did change in the diary room and for just a moment she did look like she had zombie eyes but that was a camera blip or more likely the producers decided to play a little game with us! Peoples eyes just don't do that in real life.