[vafunghoul]

Everyone has pretty much nailed it in this thread. Her outbursts and her "leave-me-alone" nonsense suggest an unstable control freak. She will get less business after this show. The more people that watch her act like an imbecile the less that will desire to go to her for services. I bet she could wear an ankle bracelet and never scratch her cheek. No mna would want to get freaky with that.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by HeelBatman

If Marc did that or Helen everybody would be all up in arms

Why are you surprised?

When she entered, she proudly boasted that she was a a dominatrix prostitute who fleeces men and worked on babestation, and she spent the first few weeks going around the house naked, without a thought for anyone else.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Why are you surprised?

When she entered, she proudly boasted that she was a a dominatrix prostitute who fleeces men and worked on babestation, and she spent the first few weeks going around the house naked, without a thought for anyone else.

Nothing wrong with any of that.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Nothing wrong with any of that.

In your opinion.

Mine differs.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

In your opinion.

Mine differs.

No, it's factual.

There is nothing wrong with prostitution so long as everything is consensual, and there's nothing wrong with sleeping around either for that matter.

The men she 'fleeces' agree to part with their money, so it's their problem. The whole thing is consensual so again, nothing wrong with it.

I don't see what the issue with channels like Babestation are either. It's a job and if people wish to spend money calling the models up, each to their own and live and let live.

And people should be entitled to walk around naked anywhere they want (with a few exceptions such as a school), and that includes the Big Brother house. Clothes are a human invention, there's no natural or inherent rule that means we must wear them. Again, live and let live.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, it's factual.

No it is your opinion. Please allow me to have mine.

There is nothing wrong with prostitution so long as everything is consensual, and there's nothing wrong with sleeping around either for that matter.

Most people view prostitution as vile. I am one of them. Your opinion does not supercede mine.

The men she 'fleeces' agree to part with their money, so it's their problem. The whole thing is consensual so again, nothing wrong with it.

I don't think consent makes something ok. Drug deals are usually consensual.

I don't see what the issue with channels like Babestation are either. It's a job and if people wish to spend money calling the models up, each to their own and live and let live.

She can do whatever job she likes. But I, in this free country, can judge her on it.

And people should be entitled to walk around naked anywhere they want (with a few exceptions such as a school), and that includes the Big Brother house. Clothes are a human invention, there's no natural or inherent rule that means we must wear them. Again, live and let live.

The law says we have to wear them and normal people want to wear them.

Again, I am free to judge her on her lack of clothes. You have no control over what I think.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

No it is your opinion. Please allow me to have mine.

No, it is a fact.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Most people view prostitution as vile. I am one of them. Your opinion does not supercede mine.

'Most people' being those that see sex as this ~pure and precious~ thing that must definitely not be exchanged for money and must only be done with people you love. Reality check...it isn't like that and hasn't been like that for many a decade, even century. People have sex because they enjoy it, and if people wish to sleep around they are perfectly entitled to do so. It is their body, it is their life, and if two people are consenting and are single I don't see what issue or business it is of anyone else's what they do in their own private life. Caring about other's sex lives and passing judgement on it is strange, quite frankly.

And if people wish to spend their own money in exchange for sex, there's nothing wrong with that either. There are no natural laws inherent to the universe that say that sex is something that should only be done with someone you love, in marriage, before marriage, not for money. All of these are man made social rules that are socialised into people that aren't inherent and therefore don't really exist.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I don't think consent makes something ok. Drug deals are usually consensual.

And most drug deals are okay as well. Your body, your life, your choice.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

She can do whatever job she likes. But I, in this free country, can judge her on it.

I'm going to refrain from passing comment on this for your benefit.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The law says we have to wear them and normal people want to wear them.

Again, I am free to judge her on her lack of clothes. You have no control over what I think.

Define 'normal' please. Not all laws and rules are just ones and just because they exist it doesn't mean everyone should lay down and accept them.

If you honestly care that much about someone you'll never meet choosing to freely express her natural body, then I would suggest you switch off the TV and do something else quite frankly.

[johne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, it's factual.

There is nothing wrong with prostitution so long as everything is consensual, and there's nothing wrong with sleeping around either for that matter.

The men she 'fleeces' agree to part with their money, so it's their problem. The whole thing is consensual so again, nothing wrong with it.

I don't see what the issue with channels like Babestation are either. It's a job and if people wish to spend money calling the models up, each to their own and live and let live.

And people should be entitled to walk around naked anywhere they want (with a few exceptions such as a school), and that includes the Big Brother house. Clothes are a human invention, there's no natural or inherent rule that means we must wear them. Again, live and let live.

Jack, well said, you are a truly enlightened individual. It's usual throughout BB history for attractive female housemates, especially those who work in the "lower" levels of the modelling industry to be pre-judged, slagged off, and generally looked down upon. If this bigotry was displayed towards gays or muslims there would be hell to pay by the bigots, yet in this case the bigots get a free pass to wallow in their bigotry.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by johne

Jack, well said, you are a truly enlightened individual. It's usual throughout BB history for attractive female housemates, especially those who work in the "lower" levels of the modelling industry to be pre-judged, slagged off, and generally looked down upon. If this bigotry was displayed towards gays or muslims there would be hell to pay by the bigots, yet in this case the bigots get a free pass to wallow in their bigotry.

Thank you!

And I very much agree, the sexism that's displayed on this show year in, year out is rather disheartening and also disgusting.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, it is a fact.

I suggest you look up the definition of this word. I don't think it means what you think it does.

'Most people' being those that see sex as this ~pure and precious~ thing that must definitely not be exchanged for money and must only be done with people you love.

You are deliberately conflating two separate issues here. Most people think exchanging sex for money is wrong, but far less people are concerned about love being involved.

I never mentioned love, I simply said that prostitution is wrong.

Reality check...it isn't like that and hasn't been like that for many a decade, even century. People have sex because they enjoy it, and if people wish to sleep around they are perfectly entitled to do so.

I have never said they aren't entitled to sleep around. I simply said prostitution is wrong. Why are you pretending that I said sleeping around is wrong?

It is their body, it is their life, and if two people are consenting and are single I don't see what issue or business it is of anyone else's what they do in their own private life. Caring about other's sex lives and passing judgement on it is strange, quite frankly.

You think passing judgement on someone who appears in a popularity contest on my tv, is wrong?

And if people wish to spend their own money in exchange for sex, there's nothing wrong with that either. There are no natural laws inherent to the universe that say that sex is something that should only be done with someone you love, in marriage, before marriage, not for money. All of these are man made social rules that are socialised into people that aren't inherent and therefore don't really exist.

I disagree with you. I think prostitution is wrong. All the other stuff about marriage and love isn't what I said, so why pretend it is?

And most drug deals are okay as well. Your body, your life, your choice.

You like illegal activity don't you? Should they let drug dealers in the house?

I'm going to refrain from passing comment on this for your benefit.

Rough translation......"I can't answer that bit"

Define 'normal' please. Not all laws and rules are just ones and just because they exist it doesn't mean everyone should lay down and accept them.

You want everyone to accept your rule about only judging housemates on what they do in the house.

If you honestly care that much about someone you'll never meet choosing to freely express her natural body, then I would suggest you switch off the TV and do something else quite frankly.

Or I could simply express my opinion on forums and vote in the show.

[minny03]

I think people are being too hard on her. Yes, she is struggling in there and having a rough time, but I like her feisty side and I hope she can somehow keep it together without being so erratic and she has to not let her moodiness bring her down even more.

[SarcastaBomb]

I agree Harry terrifies me. I wish it was Joel or Marc in Jack's place so that she could be put in her stupid place. Jack has always been so nice to her and treated her nicely even when she was behaving like a child (sulking, other attention seeking activities). I feel like Sam and Harry are just jumping on other people thoughts in arguments and Harry seems to insult herself more than the person she argues with. She obviously has extremely low self worth.

[Ammi]

..I think that she's far from horrible, I think she's magnificent...yeah, maybe she was a hypocrite in what she did but she immediately knew that and admitted it and there isn't one person who isn't a hypocrite sometimes, we all are but that doesn't make is hypocritical by nature...she's the only person in there for me who has always been true to herself, who has always stood up to what she believes, no matter how much it's isolated her or she's isolated herself from the people in there and tbh with the housemates this year, I think that I would have isolated myself from them a lot of the time because they really are a negative self centred bunch of people...she was completely right I think in everything she said...Jack has never ever accepted any criticism or any reason for being nominated...oh, I'm fine with being nominated/no problem..I just think your reason is dumb..why Jack, because you won't accept it then it's dumb eh..?.get over yourself...as for Nick, I can't see one bit of support that he's ever given her, not genuinely..he's meant to be her friend/have feelings for her etc and yet he's sold her out every single time..he's the toadiest of toads and a completely self centred person and Harry is by far above him in character...

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I suggest you look up the definition of this word. I don't think it means what you think it does.




You are deliberately conflating two separate issues here. Most people think exchanging sex for money is wrong, but far less people are concerned about love being involved.

I never mentioned love, I simply said that prostitution is wrong.



I have never said they aren't entitled to sleep around. I simply said prostitution is wrong. Why are you pretending that I said sleeping around is wrong?




You think passing judgement on someone who appears in a popularity contest on my tv, is wrong?



I disagree with you. I think prostitution is wrong. All the other stuff about marriage and love isn't what I said, so why pretend it is?




You like illegal activity don't you? Should they let drug dealers in the house?




Rough translation......"I can't answer that bit"





You want everyone to accept your rule about only judging housemates on what they do in the house.



Or I could simply express my opinion on forums and vote in the show.

No response to this?

[Pete.]

Not as horrible as Nick/Joel/Danny

[Rob!]

Jack once again hitting the nail on the head perfectly and intelligently.

And to be honest, I see no point whatsoever in judging somebody for their life choices outside of the house. It IS a popularity contest, but it should surely be judged on what we have seen of her whilst in the house? Anything else is completely irrelevant and frankly none of anybody's business except Harry.

[fitz2k2]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Not as horrible as Nick/Joel/Danny

name one thing that makes joel so horrible?

[REDCROP]

Maybe there are 2 types of people in this world....ones who GET people like Harry and ones who don't

I am one that does.....she doesn't always deliver it the right way and for sure she wud have been better without Nick snogging her one minute then slagging her off the next behind her back ...if its frustrating for us to watch imagine how insane he would drive you if you were trapped in that house with him..... but i agree with everything she has ever said about the other housemates....

She has at one time or another stood up for so many people in there because she hates witnessing injustice...she was the only person to stand up for Mark over the Brian / Helen explosion...she didn't even like Mark but she would not be part of the witch hunt against him when, as she rightfully could see, Marc never attacked Brian, it was Brian who attacked him..and why did Brian attack him, because Brian wanted to attack the real person that was antagonising him but he couldn't because that person was a girl.....
And she's right about Jack, she's said it many times...unlike his bessie mates Danny, Chloe and Christian who are saying it now because they know the public have turned on him...she went against their crowd and said it weeks ago....shes honest and she's strong and she stands up for what she believes even when she knows it will make her unpopular ....JACK , like Chloe, has made people feel guilty about every single nomination he has ever had....
Harry chose the wrong moment to jump in but that doesn't change that what she said is correct

She is the under dog and the outsider and despite her voicing her support for other people in there, rarely has anyone ever done the same for her....not even the bloke who acts like her boyfriend ...in fact he fuels the jibes about her being mental

She's not mental, she's very intelligent..as are Joel and Nick and as were Mark and Jade...

She's being made to look like a Loon by people who are so stupid its painful to watch....lets face it, Danny aint exactly the brightest lamp in the street and if brains were dynamite Chloe couldn't blow her own nose.....and as for Jack, he's just a 10 year old child trapped in a 23 year old blokes body...

ANYONE WITH ANY EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE WOULD GO A BIT INSANE IF THEY WERE TRAPPED IN A HOUSE WITH THAT LOT LONG ENOUGH

[Rob!]

Her argument yesterday with Jack was hysterical.

She would have been a LOT better off without Nick.

[REDCROP]

Oh and how great would it be to see the underdog, who's been everyones punch bag, take the f-ckin prize from all those cock sure idiots who are now stabbing each other in the back to get ahead....

All the Marc fans feel gutted he went...out of the remaining house mates the only one who remained his loyal friend was Joel and the only one who had his back over the Brian drama was Harry......all the others shafted him big style ...i can think of tons of reasons why Harry and Joel have been good housemates but THAT is def a big reason Marc fans shud support them

[Rob!]

I want her to make the final. I find her a very interesting character with more flaws than a diamond. Unlike Nick, she's managed to remain entertaining throughout her entrie time in the house and whoever voted her as the least grateful for the experience is clearly watching a different series.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by fitz2k2

name one thing that makes joel so horrible?

Provoking Sarah into saying something controversial and thus causing her to be evicted over Danny, who should have gone. Putting words into housemates mouths, namely Sam's last night. Saying that £100 wasn't much money and blasting Harry for trying to say the opposite. Vile boy

[REDCROP]

While we're on the Mental Page might be a good idea to reflect on the real meat heads in the house....Helen who threw her beer at the wall....Chloe who threw a glass at another housemate.....Brian who had to be physically restrained by 3 blokes ...Danny who smashed up the food and put his nose in Marcs face to threaten him....Aisleyne who threatened to punch Marcs face in and then tell her dad....Jack who is so self righteous he actually crumbles in total disbelief that anyone could ever nominate him and so cock sure of himself he actually believed he had 200,000 twitter followers....the lovely Christian who for some reason turns into Kanye West 12 times a day before reverting back to a normal lad again while all the above idiots act like its the most natural thing in the world...LOL...Niki Graham who went into melt down because a corn flake landed on her nose and Simon who acted like Liza Minelli on helium from morning till night

Yet despite all of that who was the only housemate to be thrown out this year ? , shock horror, wait for it, ..Aaron for getting his willy out in the bedroom...the naughty naughty little boy....off with his head

IF HARRY IS MENTAL THEN SHE'S IN GOOD F-CKING COMPANY....LOL

She is actually one of the few housemates who WASN'T physically aggressive to anyone....wake up people !!

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by HeelBatman

If Marc did that or Helen everybody would be all up in arms

DID WHAT ? WHAT DID SHE DO THAT WOULD HAVE EVERYONE UP IN ARMS ?
Interrupt someone ?....isn't that what everyone has done to her from the second she arrived ? i don't understand, can you please explain what she did that was so shocking and so different to Chloe, Danny and Jack who interrupt everybody every minute of every day ? Tell me, i wanna know, what did she do that was so shocking ?

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Why are you surprised?

When she entered, she proudly boasted that she was a a dominatrix prostitute who fleeces men and worked on babestation, and she spent the first few weeks going around the house naked, without a thought for anyone else.

If she wasn't wearing anything she wasn't hiding anything....unlike the famous five who are pulling all kinds of nasty little bunnies out of their hats now...