[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yeah he did, but did he put the words into Sarah's mouth? no, did she stand by those words when she was evicted? yes, she got herself evicted because of those views, that's not Joel's fault.

I still think he's a manipulative **** tho

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

I still think he's a manipulative **** tho

Oh yeah, without a doubt he's manipulative, I just don't think he can be blamed for the words people use in discussion with him

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

But she said several times that she didn't want to talk about it but he went on about it again and again. He did the same with Sam this week

Yeah, she only got angry because joel forced her into talking when she clearly stated she will talk about it sober. That's wasn't even the reason why she got evicted, i doubt chloe or danny would have had enough votes.

[Rorkimaru]

The thing with Sarah was 100% her own fault. If someone began victim blaming me after I'd been sexually harassed I wouldn't let it lie at their request. I'd have gone in a lot harder than Joel. I said that when she was evicted and I'm repeating it now. As much as I liked Sarah that statement was bang out of order.

I think it's unfair to keep bringing up Pizzagate considering he paid the money back double out of money he'd been offered. He didn't take the 5k even though IMO everyone should have.

Joel has maintained composure more than any other housemate in there. People who feel manipulated by him simply don't think before rising to his questions and then because they can't handle a question about themselves they throw a wobbler and hurl abusive names at him. They could all have learned a lot from Joel about keeping their cool and thinking before speaking but instead they just called him manipulative.

[LukeB]

As much as I love Joel, he should have left it to the morning like she asked, I know she shouldn't have said what she said I'm not excusing that but the fact is she got angry because he wouldn't listen to her (she should have walked away) but when you're angry you say stuff you don't mean or never meant it in that way.Sarah isn't a evil/mean/horrible person unlike Danny and Marc.

[Jay.]

they are the most entertaining and likeable out of that bunch imo

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jay.

they are the most entertaining and likeable out of that bunch imo

Joel and his slut dropping and his cringe singing

[Jamesy]

I've kind of gone off Nick since the series started although I initially liked him as he seems like a fairly level headed guy, I hate the whole posh act thing but he hasn't acted posh in any way, he seems just as normal as anyone else in there really. Although his attachment to Harry/Nikki put me off him in the later weeks. I don't really see a problem with anything he has said to Harry, most of the time it seems like he's just tried to wind her up, and most of the time it has been quite funny to see Harry overreact for no reason.

Joel's a difficult one to decide on. He's been quite the 'game player' and wind up merchant throughout the series although I've kind of liked both sides of that, that's how I would probably act in that house. Although he has had occasions of being an absolute dick towards some people.

Out of these final 6 I think Joel is the most deserving (to win) based on entertainment value throughout the series. He has done the most out of all of them.

[the truth]

joel has been brilliant, in between his camp dancing , slut drops and surprisingly decent singing...hes been straight blunt honest throughout, often with an underlying element of mischieviousness

he never goes with the crowd, he forms his owns opinions and backs them up

marc was ott but he didn't verbalise his opinions properly nor did he think things through the way joel does...hesa bright intelligent funny ambitious boy

hes also not tacky and filthy like so many others....the boy has done amazingly well, never even lost his temper once in the whole 9 weeks, which in itself is an amazing achievement

so he winds these idiots up, that's their problem, all hes aksing for is some honest answers....why does that make these liars so uncomfortable I wonder? becaue theyre mostly all fakes

[goldensunlight]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

He doesn't deserve a bought win

That isn't the point, he would have still made it there anyway if he had faced eviction this week.

Helen's place in the finals was cheated last year yet people still voted for her. It won't make any difference.

[fitz2k2]

joel to win.nick offers jack **** in the house