[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

I said white bro/sis. Are you not white?

So should I not be offended that you deemed slavery less than other human terrorism acts? Forget Titanic, that was an accident.

Let's just end it there, anyways.

You were never a slave, and yet here you are making yourself a victim. You class ALL white people as oppressors and again you're the victim. Your comments are actually racist, did you know that? Or do you think only black people can be victims of racism?

My people suffered terribly in concentration camps in WW2, in fact they've been victimised and persecuted for centuries and they still are. Does that colour my judgement of Germans, or of Arabs, or of anyone? No. Knock the chip off your shoulder and maybe you'll understand the vast majority of white people aren't your enemy.

[Ninastar]

Slay ha Livia. Thank you so much, I couldn't even put what I wanted to say into words.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

You were never a slave, and yet here you are making yourself a victim. You class ALL white people as oppressors and again you're the victim. Your comments are actually racist, did you know that? Or do you think only black people can be victims of racism?

My people suffered terribly in concentration camps in WW2, in fact they've been victimised and persecuted for centuries and they still are. Does that colour my judgement of Germans, or of Arabs, or of anyone? No. Knock the chip off your shoulder and maybe you'll understand the vast majority of white people aren't your enemy.

"You were never a slave, and yet here you are making yourself a victim" Slavery is apparently over but is the slave mentality gone? Are blacks in society still not being preferred by a vast majority based on how light they are? (based on one of the slave owners separating dark blacks from light blacks saying if you separate them we'll always own them), Did 9 people not get shot for being black? Do blacks still not get called *******? Does stormfront not exist? Do I still not get sneered at when I pass an all white neighbourhood? Did someone not hold his friend back so I can pass first and sneer and whisper like I was some disease? Did my dad not get let go in Luxembourg in favor of a white doctor? Did my sister not suffer racism in Luxembourg? The list is endless. Just because racists can't tie us by our feet in the back of their vans and drag us for miles to our deaths anymore (1980's), or lynch us and hang us on trees and not face jail time doesn't mean racism is over. Slavery was one part of it and the repercussions are still there.

"You class ALL white people as oppressors and again you're the victim." I didn't use to. My exes were white, friends are white, but the older I get the more I see of the oppressive behaviours, but still no not ALL whites are oppressors, even though some don't realise they're doing it.

" Or do you think only black people can be victims of racism?" No but because the white race is the more (I hate to use the word dominant) "in charge" race, their racism is more effective than when a black does it. Let me hear about a black cop shooting a white kid that just had skittles in his hand and he gets away with it for example? Nope was never going to happen.

"My people suffered terribly in concentration camps in WW2, in fact they've been victimised and persecuted for centuries and they still are. Does that colour my judgement of Germans, or of Arabs, or of anyone? No. Knock the chip off your shoulder and maybe you'll understand the vast majority of white people aren't your enemy" I understand that but your people own banks and Hollywood.



I agree to stop if everyone stops

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

"You were never a slave, and yet here you are making yourself a victim" Slavery is apparently over but is the slave mentality gone? Are blacks in society still not being preferred by a vast majority based on how light they are? (based on one of the slave owners separating dark blacks from light blacks saying if you separate them we'll always own them), Did 9 people not get shot for being black? Do blacks still not get called *******? Does stormfront not exist? Do I still not get sneered at when I pass an all white neighbourhood? Did someone not hold his friend back so I can pass first and sneer and whisper like I was some disease? Did my dad not get let go in Luxembourg in favor of a white doctor? Did my sister not suffer racism in Luxembourg? The list is endless. Just because racists can't tie us by our feet in the back of their vans and drag us for miles to our deaths anymore (1980's), or lynch us and hang us on trees and not face jail time doesn't mean racism is over. Slavery was one part of it and the repercussions are still there.

"You class ALL white people as oppressors and again you're the victim." I didn't use to. My exes were white, friends are white, but the older I get the more I see of the oppressive behaviours, but still no not ALL whites are oppressors, even though some don't realise they're doing it.

" Or do you think only black people can be victims of racism?" No but because the white race is the more (I hate to use the word dominant) "in charge" race, their racism is more effective than when a black does it. Let me hear about a black cop shooting a white kid that just had skittles in his hand and he gets away with it for example? Nope was never going to happen.

"My people suffered terribly in concentration camps in WW2, in fact they've been victimised and persecuted for centuries and they still are. Does that colour my judgement of Germans, or of Arabs, or of anyone? No. Knock the chip off your shoulder and maybe you'll understand the vast majority of white people aren't your enemy" I understand that but your people own banks and Hollywood.



I agree to stop if everyone stops

That's a very good point.

Anyway I think all this dialogue can only be a good thing in trying to understand where each person is coming from and move forward

[Jessica.]

Irish people were enslaved too, lost their language and many aspects of culture, does that mean I can complain that Irish singers with crap videos deserve to be nominated?

In all honesty, this whole thing is just ridiculous, there is nothing original or interesting about Anaconda, I am surprised enough that it got ANY nominations. Embarrassed for all parties involved.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Irish people were enslaved too, lost their language and many aspects of culture, does that mean I can complain that Irish singers with crap videos deserve to be nominated?

In all honesty, this whole thing is just ridiculous, there is nothing original or interesting about Anaconda, I am surprised enough that it got ANY nominations. Embarrassed for all parties involved.

Tswizzle ethnicity- German, English, some Scottish, Irish, Northern Irish (Scots-Irish), Welsh, 1/16th Italian, as well as distant French, Swedish, Dutch, and Belgian (Walloon)


Ed Sheeran-Sheeran's paternal grandparents were Irish, from Maghera,

You're alright.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Tswizzle ethnicity- German, English, some Scottish, Irish, Northern Irish (Scots-Irish), Welsh, 1/16th Italian, as well as distant French, Swedish, Dutch, and Belgian (Walloon)


Ed Sheeran-Sheeran's paternal grandparents were Irish, from Maghera,

You're alright.

Nice try hun, disregard everything else I said.

[Ammi]

...just slightly off topic because I can't comment on the Nicki/Taylor thing but I know that CeeCee is very passionate in what she believes and the reasons for those beliefs and I think with good reasons as well in many cases..(although I don't know if this is one of them/that it's a racism thing...)...

...CeeCee recently posted some vids about Serena Williams..and yeah, the guy making the comments/racist but the worrying bit was the commentator's comment of....'oh, well I guess that's just sports, isn't it..'...really..?...so I guess the only way for others to understand what CeeCee is saying is to try to equate it to similar comments being made about others who may have prejudice shown against them...like homosexuals for instance and then it just being said...oh that's sport/or that's showbiz baby or whatever/no big deal, type thing....

...anyway, here's the vid which I found totally shocking so I don't understand CeeCee's passion with this and other things that she herself has experienced in her own life ....

Youtube video

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Nice try hun, disregard everything else I said.

To be fair the whole Ed Sheeran video is like he's auditioning for a future spot in Strictly come dancing. Not sure it's entertaining. So you could say a crap Irish video was nominated

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just slightly off topic because I can't comment on the Nicki/Taylor thing but I know that CeeCee is very passionate in what she believes and the reasons for those beliefs and I think with good reasons as well in many cases..(although I don't know if this is one of them/that it's a racism thing...)...

...CeeCee recently posted some vids about Serena Williams..and yeah, the guy making the comments/racist but the worrying bit was the commentator's comment of....'oh, well I guess that's just sports, isn't it..'...really..?...so I guess the only way for others to understand what CeeCee is saying is to try to equate it to similar comments being made about others who may have prejudice shown against them...like homosexuals for instance and then it just being said...oh that's sport/or that's showbiz baby or whatever/no big deal, type thing....

...anyway, here's the vid which I found totally shocking so I don't understand CeeCee's passion with this and other things that she herself has experienced in her own life ....

Youtube video

Aw ammi. I love you

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just slightly off topic because I can't comment on the Nicki/Taylor thing but I know that CeeCee is very passionate in what she believes and the reasons for those beliefs and I think with good reasons as well in many cases..(although I don't know if this is one of them/that it's a racism thing...)...

...CeeCee recently posted some vids about Serena Williams..and yeah, the guy making the comments/racist but the worrying bit was the commentator's comment of....'oh, well I guess that's just sports, isn't it..'...really..?...so I guess the only way for others to understand what CeeCee is saying is to try to equate it to similar comments being made about others who may have prejudice shown against them...like homosexuals for instance and then it just being said...oh that's sport/or that's showbiz baby or whatever/no big deal, type thing....

...anyway, here's the vid which I found totally shocking so I don't understand CeeCee's passion with this and other things that she herself has experienced in her own life ....

Youtube video

I think most of us realise that racism happens in sport and other parts of the world, but that isn't what this thread is about. Other black people have agreed that this is a silly argument. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to treat white people differently because of how some other white people act. That's just racist. I cannot stand when someone says that I believe something because I am 'white' or 'gay' or 'american' etc, etc. I am my own person. I'm not even a little bit racist. To say that I don't understand the severity of something is just plain insulting. Anyone can receive racist hate, but just because black people suffer more of it in the states, doesn't mean you can just insult white people because they havent ever been slaves.

If I had said a lot of the stuff that Cece has said today, but about black people instead, I'd have been banned. It's double standards and it's one of my biggest hates in the world. It's ridiculous.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Woot woot good girl. I hope she's apologizing because she means it and not because she was being called out on faux feminism and plagiarism.

[Marsh.]

So.... whilst you're all having a very valid debate over racism.... it was brought on by Nicki Minaj missing out on one nomination?

Please. What an attention seeking twat she is.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Is kendrick really D ONE that's going to win against Ed Sheeran or industry princess? Maybe they just nominated him because he was featured in bad blood too. The other songs are featuring black artists they're not the main artists in the songs. Beyoncé and Rihanna are white peoples go to black girls. Is that re-released song really going to win?
Read Marie Claire piece for overall message of what Nicky was saying. They did a good job.

So the only possible reason Nicki Minaj misses out on a nomination is because of the colour of her skin?

Beyonce and Rihanna don't count because.... well because it contradicts your argument?

Please.

[Pete.]

Demand justice 4 Toxic! Boycott Bad Blood!

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Woot woot good girl. I hope she's apologizing because she means it and not because she was being called out on faux feminism and plagiarism.

She's clearly backtracking because people are criticising Princess Taylor for sticking her nose into something that wasn't her business

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just slightly off topic because I can't comment on the Nicki/Taylor thing but I know that CeeCee is very passionate in what she believes and the reasons for those beliefs and I think with good reasons as well in many cases..(although I don't know if this is one of them/that it's a racism thing...)...

...CeeCee recently posted some vids about Serena Williams..and yeah, the guy making the comments/racist but the worrying bit was the commentator's comment of....'oh, well I guess that's just sports, isn't it..'...really..?...so I guess the only way for others to understand what CeeCee is saying is to try to equate it to similar comments being made about others who may have prejudice shown against them...like homosexuals for instance and then it just being said...oh that's sport/or that's showbiz baby or whatever/no big deal, type thing....

...anyway, here's the vid which I found totally shocking so I don't understand CeeCee's passion with this and other things that she herself has experienced in her own life ....

Youtube video

Serena's treatment at Wimbledon this year was disturbing

[Pete.]

[Dominic]

Can we stop talking about this Taylor vs nicki and buy 1989 on iTunes?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by extracheezz

Can we stop talking about this Taylor vs that other woman and buy 1989 on iTunes?

the racism is so real

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just slightly off topic because I can't comment on the Nicki/Taylor thing but I know that CeeCee is very passionate in what she believes and the reasons for those beliefs and I think with good reasons as well in many cases..(although I don't know if this is one of them/that it's a racism thing...)...

...CeeCee recently posted some vids about Serena Williams..and yeah, the guy making the comments/racist but the worrying bit was the commentator's comment of....'oh, well I guess that's just sports, isn't it..'...really..?...so I guess the only way for others to understand what CeeCee is saying is to try to equate it to similar comments being made about others who may have prejudice shown against them...like homosexuals for instance and then it just being said...oh that's sport/or that's showbiz baby or whatever/no big deal, type thing....

...anyway, here's the vid which I found totally shocking so I don't understand CeeCee's passion with this and other things that she herself has experienced in her own life ....

Youtube video

I agree there is still a lot of racism in today's world and its ofter overlooked. I normally 100% agree with cece on topics like this but i just don't think its racism in this specific case. I honestly feel like in this specific incident Nicki just can't think of why she wouldn't be nominated even though the vid isn't that good.

[Marsh.]

Nicki's beef is not cooked properly.

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by Smithy

the racism is so real

Are you *****ing kidding me? Racism? I was just being random and "throwing shade". I don't see how what I said could be racist.

P.S. 7/11 is an amazing video and deserved to be nommed for vma.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So.... whilst you're all having a very valid debate over racism.... it was brought on by Nicki Minaj missing out on one nomination?

Please. What an attention seeking twat she is.

Read the Marie Claire piece it does a good job at explaining the overall message she was trying to convey rather than the glossed over, simplified version from people who don't get it.

It's like when viola Davis sat on a table with George clooney, theron and others and tried to explain about racism in Hollywood both clooney and theron made it about them and Theron diminished her point with a glossed over "I'll stop you right there your ****ing hot" was not the overall point

[EspeonBB]

Taylord is so classy and mature I'm glad she apologized for the misunderstanding