[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Erm yes he did

Joel: Tell me what you mean Sarah
Sarah: Joel lets talk about it in the morning when I'm sober
Joel: No Sarah I want to know what you are thinking
Sarah: No Joel I don't what to say anything out of hand
Joel: Sarah if you've got a problem with me say it
Sarah: Joel lets just leave it
Joel: Sarah tell me what's on your mind
Sarah: Fine, you encourage it
Joel: So you think it's right what Aaron did etc etc

sarah didn't randomly said it she was forced and said it in anger, the whole situation reaction is OTT like it's the worse thing that was ever said when twats like marc gets away with it because it's 'banter' and he's apprently entertaining.. Him and helen said way worser things this series.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

But if Joel could actually shut his mouth then Sarah would not have said that and try would have had a different conversation in the morning because she knew she was going to speak out of line

Originally Posted by LukeB

sarah didn't randomly said it she was forced and said it in anger, the whole situation reaction is OTT like it's the worse thing that was ever said when twats like marc gets away with it because it's 'banter' and he's apprently entertaining.. Him and helen said way worser things this series.

NO ONE is forcing Sarah to express those sentiments other than Sarah herself. Just like how Aaron being drunk doesn't excuse his actions, Sarah being drunk doesn't excuse her thoughts. It's the fact that those are her thoughts that's troubling in the first place. And it's not even literally telling Joel that he encouraged it (which is bad enough), but it's her smug self-satisfaction that she would certainly never get sexually assaulted because she creates clear interpersonal boundaries unlike some people, and it's like, you're a ****ty person and that's an incredibly ****ty view to hold. What an awful lasting impression to leave.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

NO ONE is forcing Sarah to express those sentiments other than Sarah herself. Just like how Aaron being drunk doesn't excuse his actions, Sarah being drunk doesn't excuse her thoughts. It's the fact that those are her thoughts that's troubling in the first place. And it's not even literally telling Joel that he encouraged it (which is bad enough), but it's her smug self-satisfaction that she would certainly never get sexually assaulted because she creates clear interpersonal boundaries unlike some people, and it's like, you're a ****ty person and that's an incredibly ****ty view to hold. What an awful lasting impression to leave.

No joel wouldn't let it go(i like joel) he wanted her to talk about it and she didn't where it got to the point he annoyed her so she just said it. He should have listened to her and speak about it in the morning which was the mature thing to do. She didn't randomly said it did she? No joel forced it out of her. She isn't even a bad person

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by LukeB

No joel wouldn't let it go(i like joel) he wanted her to talk about it and she didn't where it got to the point he annoyed her so she just said it. He should have listened to her and speak about it in the morning which was the mature thing to do. She didn't randomly said it did she? No joel forced it out of her. She isn't even a bad person

I know you love Sarah for inexplicable reasons but literally nobody forced her to believe that Joel was to blame. Drunk or not, "it is entirely your fault that a dude rubbed his genitalia on you when you didn't want him to do so" is in no way acceptable. Like I've been saying, Joel is annoying as **** and he was certainly being annoying in this instance, but he did not force Sarah to express such a retrograde implication. That one rests entirely with her.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I know you love Sarah for inexplicable reasons but literally nobody forced her to believe that Joel was to blame. Drunk or not, "it is entirely your fault that a dude rubbed his genitalia on you when you didn't want him to do so" is in no way acceptable. Like I've been saying, Joel is annoying as **** and he was certainly being annoying in this instance, but he did not force Sarah to express such a retrograde implication. That one rests entirely with her.

Yeah he did tbh, she didn't want to say anything or talk about it,joel made her talk about it and the whole situation is the most OTT thing i've ever seen... She isn't even a nasty person, not condoning in what she said.

Sarah will be pleases she having loads of pages on this thread dedicated to her.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Yeah he did tbh, she didn't want to say anything or talk about it,joel made her talk about it and the whole situation is the most OTT thing i've ever seen... She isn't even a nasty person, not condoning in what she said.

Sarah will be pleases she having loads of pages on this thread dedicated to her.

Joel isn't to blame for Sarah having such a retrograde point of view. It's not his fault that she's blaming him for receiving a sexual assault. Whether or not Joel was annoying and persistent doesn't change the fact that Sarah holds some pretty grim views on the matter (and it's even more embarrassing considering she's a woman and she wants to be a lawyer)

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Joel isn't to blame for Sarah having such a retrograde point of view. It's not his fault that she's blaming him for receiving a sexual assault. Whether or not Joel was annoying and persistent doesn't change the fact that Sarah holds some pretty grim views on the matter (and it's even more embarrassing considering she's a woman and she wants to be a lawyer)

Didn't say he did, i said joel forced her it out of her when she said "talk about it in the morning" but no he wouldn't have it so he went on and on and forced her to talk about it,

[reece(:]

Sarah didn't all out blame Joel for anything happening, she said the way he refused to say stop and the dressing up COULD be perceived as encouragement. Joel pursued her to tell him then and there whilst she was pissed AND probably upset for her best friend in the house. I'm glad Joel got the scolding either way even if Sarah didn't tread lightly because he's absolutely dire.

That's all I'll say as the likes of Hell/Marq get free passes round here for the things they say.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by reece(:

People will continue supporting the likes of Helen after she calls people murderers / rapists and Sarah didn't all out blame Joel for anything happening, she said the way he refused to say stop and the dressing up COULD be perceived as encouragement. Joel pursued her to tell him then and there whilst she was pissed AND probably upset for her best friend in the house. I'm glad Joel got the scolding either way even if Sarah didn't tread lightly because he's absolutely dire.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Sarah didn't all out blame Joel for anything happening, she said the way he refused to say stop and the dressing up COULD be perceived as encouragement. Joel pursued her to tell him then and there whilst she was pissed AND probably upset for her best friend in the house. I'm glad Joel got the scolding either way even if Sarah didn't tread lightly because he's absolutely dire.

That's all I'll say as the likes of Hell/Marq get free passes round here for the things they say.

She said that it would never happen to her, which is implying that being sexually assaulted is something you can control, and she literally told him that he encouraged it. Regardless of Joel forcing her to say her opinion or whatever, it's the ****tiest opinion to hold.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by reece(:

That's all I'll say as the likes of Hell/Marq get free passes round here for the things they say.

If marc said that it would be 'banter' then he will get away with it

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Sarah didn't all out blame Joel for anything happening, she said the way he refused to say stop and the dressing up COULD be perceived as encouragement. Joel pursued her to tell him then and there whilst she was pissed AND probably upset for her best friend in the house. I'm glad Joel got the scolding either way even if Sarah didn't tread lightly because he's absolutely dire.

That's all I'll say as the likes of Hell/Marq get free passes round here for the things they say.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I know you love Sarah for inexplicable reasons but literally nobody forced her to believe that Joel was to blame. Drunk or not, "it is entirely your fault that a dude rubbed his genitalia on you when you didn't want him to do so" is in no way acceptable. Like I've been saying, Joel is annoying as **** and he was certainly being annoying in this instance, but he did not force Sarah to express such a retrograde implication. That one rests entirely with her.

I didn't say what Sarah said was right, because it wasn't, but no way should Joel have come out unscathed from the incident because he provoked the whole thing

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

NO ONE is forcing Sarah to express those sentiments other than Sarah herself. Just like how Aaron being drunk doesn't excuse his actions, Sarah being drunk doesn't excuse her thoughts. It's the fact that those are her thoughts that's troubling in the first place. And it's not even literally telling Joel that he encouraged it (which is bad enough), but it's her smug self-satisfaction that she would certainly never get sexually assaulted because she creates clear interpersonal boundaries unlike some people, and it's like, you're a ****ty person and that's an incredibly ****ty view to hold. What an awful lasting impression to leave.