[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh Alex, you're excusing racism just because you can't handle the fact that, like any other country in the world, America isn't perfect.

I'm not excusing it, i'm just saying it isn't a cop thing. i absolutely agree that group mentality is a bad thing the world over. just like families seem to protect molestors instead of the victim. or people in a corporation protect the company over their customers.

Hive mind, mob mentality, us vs. them thinking is a problem. i'm just pointing out it's a problem in every group of people, not just cops.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm not excusing it, i'm just saying it isn't a cop thing. i absolutely agree that group mentality is a bad thing the world over. just like families seem to protect molestors instead of the victim. or people in a corporation protect the company over their customers.

Hive mind, mob mentality, us vs. them thinking is a problem. i'm just pointing out it's a problem in every group of people, not just cops.

What has that got to do with the very real issue of Police Brutality? What the **** does OJ Simpson have to do with innocent people getting killed by racists? Nothing, that's what. What you're doing is victim blaming, bringing up Trayvon Martin as an example of 'an evil black person' really? You are demonsing a teenage murder victim in order to avoid an uncomfortable truth.

You are defending institutional racism by pointing a finger at a community that is constantly stepped on by the system rather than shining the light on the police force and acknowledging the corruption. As enforcers of the Law and Figures of Authority, it's down to them to get their house in order, they should not defend the police officers that murder and maim the people they should be protecting. You're just trying to downplay the situation when it shouldn't be ignored or belittled.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What has that got to do with the very real issue of Police Brutality? What the **** does OJ Simpson have to do with innocent people getting killed by racists? Nothing, that's what. What you're doing is victim blaming, bringing up Trayvon Martin as an example of 'an evil black person' really? You are demonsing a teenage murder victim in order to avoid an uncomfortable truth.

You are defending institutional racism by pointing a finger at a community that is constantly stepped on by the system rather than shining the light on the police force and acknowledging the corruption. As enforcers of the Law and Figures of Authority, it's down to them to get their house in order, they should not defend the police officers that murder and maim the people they should be protecting. You're just trying to downplay the situation when it shouldn't be ignored or belittled.

wow, that was not a rational post. first of all, i used OJ simpson as an example because black people rallied around him despite the over whelming evidence. do you think that OJ was innocent?

Trayvon martin attacked george zimmerman, ambushed him from behind a bush(i know it sounds funny 'cause bush is in both words) bashed his head into the ground trying to kill him. That was proven in court. But somehow he was hailed as an innocent victim by the black community, despite the very conclusive evidence that actually it was Martin who was the one who attacked Zimmerman.

I'm not defending the system, i'm just saying the problems in the Law Enforcement system are not unique to the law enforcement system. they are the same problems that all groups have. Just like black people rally around guilty black people, law enforcement rallies around guilty law enforcers.

Maybe you could tell me how to fix that problem, but i don't see any solutions from you, just finger pointing at one group, while denying that it is a human problem, not a cop problem.

Framing it as a blacks vs. cops problem does nothing to solve the problems in either group.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

wow, that was not a rational post. first of all, i used OJ simpson as an example because black people rallied around him despite the over whelming evidence. do you think that OJ was innocent?

Trayvon martin attacked george zimmerman, ambushed him from behind a bush(i know it sounds funny 'cause bush is in both words) bashed his head into the ground trying to kill him. That was proven in court. But somehow he was hailed as an innocent victim by the black community, despite the very conclusive evidence that actually it was Martin who was the one who attacked Zimmerman.

I'm not defending the system, i'm just saying the problems in the Law Enforcement system are not unique to the law enforcement system. they are the same problems that all groups have. Just like black people rally around guilty black people, law enforcement rallies around guilty law enforcers.

Maybe you could tell me how to fix that problem, but i don't see any solutions from you, just finger pointing at one group, while denying that it is a human problem, not a cop problem.

Framing it as a blacks vs. cops problem does nothing to solve the problems in either group.

Doesn't matter, you can't compare a community's actions to that of a Law Enforcement agency's, it's a stupid comparison that's flawed on many levels.

Funnily enough I can't seem to find anything that definitively states that Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman. I can find a lot of sources that say that Zimmerman hounded Trayvon though.

Again you bring up the community angle although it's a dumb comparison, you can't compare a law enforcement agency to a community, it's up to the Law Enforcement agency to be better, not the other way around.

I don't offer a solution, I'm saying that you should acknowledge that there is a problem instead of going on and on with this ''All lives matter' bull****. Because acknowledgement is always better than denial.

As for you last sentence, it's just another attempt to deny the problems that America has with it's police forces. Considering that we're getting stories of police brutality constantly it certainly is an issue of racist police officers racially profiling and murdering black people for the colour of their skin

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Funnily enough I can't seem to find anything that definitively states that Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman. I can find a lot of sources that say that Zimmerman hounded Trayvon though.

Evidence presented during the trial showed that Trayvon had only offensive wounds on his hands consistant with attacking someone, and Zimmerman had only defensive wounds consistent with being attacked, including having his nose broken from a punch, and having his head beat into the ground.

if Trayvon had been attacked, you would see defensive wound, not offensive wounds only on the hands. and if george zimmerman had just been some crazy latino guy out to kill a black guy with a gun he wouldn't have wound's consistent with having his head bashed into the ground.

all of the evidence supported george zimmerman's account of the situation. that's why he was found innocent by 12 random people that were objective.