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05-09-2015, 05:51 PM | #51 | |||
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05-09-2015, 05:53 PM | #52 | |||
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Where are they going to live though? And Why should the tax payers have to pay for it? I feel sorry for them i genuinely do but we can only allow a small amount in
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05-09-2015, 05:55 PM | #53 | ||
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There is also the fact that fit young men are just quite obviously far more likely, when faced with war in their country, decide to "**** it" and run. It doesn't mea they aren't genuine refugees. Older people who have had their home for decades are less likely to want to be willing to leave it behind even when they are in danger. People with children and families are less likely to go because of the risks involved - risks that we have all seen over the last few days. Young Women are less likely to be going it alone because it's a Muslim culture and young women are still pretty firmly tied to their home and their family.
That leaves young, unattached men? You'd find exactly the same happening if it was this country being destroyed by war... Only difference would be that there would be more young women too, but that's purely cultural. Also, how they're dressed and their appearance IS relevant... If they all "looked poor" then surely it would be MORE believable that they're economic migrants? People are pointing out that they're fit, healthy, well dressed, normal looking people. That's because they ARE normal people, who until recently, had normal homes, normal lives and normal jobs. The argument that they are clearly economic migrants because they don't look poor is so illogical and obviously backwards that it's verging on being outright Special Ed. |
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05-09-2015, 05:57 PM | #54 | ||
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With what? Sticks and enthusiasm? I guess we could arm them all with AK47's... That worked so well in Afghanistan in the 80's, it's bound to be worth another go.
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05-09-2015, 05:59 PM | #55 | ||
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Again - and for a final time - because we in the West enjoy a comfortable, wasteful lifestyle thanks to centuries of exploiting the rest of the world. To thrown our hands up now and squeal "Nothing to do with us! You're not getting any of MY help or precious precious money!" isn't just irresponsible, it's ****ing evil.
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05-09-2015, 06:06 PM | #56 | |||
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05-09-2015, 06:22 PM | #57 | ||
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This below was just reposted on my Facebook, says it better than I have been. People who still believe in silly fluffy cups of tea Hugh Grant Mr Bean Britain Britain Britain might not like it but this is your world, this is your history, you ARE responsible. Deal with it.
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05-09-2015, 06:27 PM | #58 | |||
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I know it's weird as the government (Assad) is against many of his own people as well as IS, perhaps the best we can hope for is that they destroy each other eventually. I just can't see any political way out of this mess to be honest. |
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05-09-2015, 06:48 PM | #59 | ||
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05-09-2015, 06:52 PM | #60 | |||
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I'm going to ask this question again: how many refugees is the USA taking? Or are they not equally responsible than any country in Europe. And as a final word... this country has done some positive things in the world. I'm yet to see you mention any one of them. How about the fact we've given more than anyone else in Europe to this crisis? How about the work of the Royal Navy? It's good to balance the positive with the negative or things look skewed. |
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05-09-2015, 07:14 PM | #61 | |||
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we are not spineless cowards that is why we won wars when we should have lost |
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05-09-2015, 07:23 PM | #62 | |||
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05-09-2015, 08:02 PM | #63 | |||
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1) EVERY great civilisation has - at some time in history - "exploited the rest of the world". 2) No one on Tibb, or in the UK, even, 'Throws up his hands' and squeals; ""Nothing to do with us! You're not getting any of MY help or precious precious money!". The British are among the kindest, most charitable and caring people on Earth, so just for a nice change from continually berating us and denigrating our intelligence and our natures, why don't you prove your hysterical 'sweeping' statements with hard factual evidence? |
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05-09-2015, 08:07 PM | #64 | |||
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I can see your point about it not being an ideal situation for the young men to stand up to fight. Goodness only knows if there will ever be a solution to this mess. |
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05-09-2015, 08:45 PM | #65 | ||
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Kirk asks me for "evidence"? I don't even understand. Stop. Look at the world. Look at what is happening, look at where it's happening, and tell me that it's a coincidence that it's spreading out from areas that are absolutely covered in our fingerprints. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 05-09-2015 at 08:45 PM. |
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05-09-2015, 08:49 PM | #66 | |||
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We should get into unseaworthy vessels, trek to their ****hole countries and claim asylum. See how they like it.
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05-09-2015, 08:51 PM | #67 | ||
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05-09-2015, 08:53 PM | #68 | |||
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People shaft each other and power corrupts. It's human nature. But there's a balance; for all the harm that's done there are selfless acts of kindness. |
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05-09-2015, 09:00 PM | #69 | |||
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Are you saying these men are cowards because they don't want to stay in their country and die? :/
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05-09-2015, 09:04 PM | #70 | ||
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I disagree that there's balance. There is selflessness and kindness... but there is nowhere near enough of it to change the path we're on. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 05-09-2015 at 09:04 PM. |
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05-09-2015, 09:29 PM | #71 | |||
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05-09-2015, 09:32 PM | #72 | ||
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05-09-2015, 09:34 PM | #73 | |||
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05-09-2015, 09:42 PM | #74 | |||
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I have a bleeding heart if that's any good?....
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05-09-2015, 10:12 PM | #75 | |||
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As if appears there is no proper army they could join I would hardly call them cowards. Different world to what we are brought up in and takes a bit of understanding. |
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