[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yep and you have to wonder exactly which fallen it is he's 'paying respect' to by refusing to sing our national anthem.

I have to wonder how it's respectful to fallen soldiers to sing a song celebrating the filthy system that took them to war in the first place.

God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Never mind the cannon-fodder who died in her name
and in the name of Kings and Queens before her,
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen

Is that not how it goes?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have to wonder how it's respectful to fallen soldiers to sing a song celebrating the filthy system that took them to war in the first place.

God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Never mind the cannon-fodder who died in her name
and in the name of Kings and Queens before her,
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen

Is that not how it goes?

Why don't you just MOVE countries T.S.?

If it wasn't for all the 'Cannon Fodder' who "died in her name" you would not be at liberty right now to post your views.

The Queen is a FIGUREHEAD. She PERSONALLY does not send anyone anywhere.

Our poor servicemen and women are risking their lives as I write, to STOP the evil, inhuman scum which is IS and other terrorist killers from subjugating the entire world, and without their heroism, courage and sacrifice these barbaric bastards would be infinitely closer to parading down The Mall displaying severed heads by the hundred.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Why don't you just MOVE countries T.S.?

If it wasn't for all the 'Cannon Fodder' who "died in her name" you would not be at liberty right now to post your views.

The Queen is a FIGUREHEAD. She PERSONALLY does not send anyone anywhere.

Our poor servicemen and women are risking their lives as I write, to STOP the evil, inhuman scum which is IS and other terrorist killers from subjugating the entire world, and without their heroism, courage and sacrifice these barbaric bastards would be infinitely closer to parading down The Mall displaying severed heads by the hundred.

I have full respect for our military and know full well what they have done for us in the past, in the wars that have been justified, which many (although NOT ALL) are.

I have no respect at all for the Monarchy or anything that it stands for. Oh and also, I would point out that these ceremonies are generally to honour ALL historical "war dead", and the Monarchy merely being a figurehead position is a relatively new thing, in historical terms, so whilst soldiers haven't technically gone to war for THIS queen, they certainly have gone to war on the whims of monarchs of the past.

My main point was that the National Anthem glorifies War and Conquest in its lyrics and, therefore, using it to honour those killed in war seems, to me, like it might be considered to be "in bad taste"...

Final point would be; as the Queen is a FIGUREHEAD and she PERSONALLY is merely ornamental... it just confirms that the whole thing is a pointless display of charade and tradition that has no place at all in modern politics, and again, for that reason, I fully support any politician in refusing to play along with such utter bull****.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have to wonder how it's respectful to fallen soldiers to sing a song celebrating the filthy system that took them to war in the first place.

God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Never mind the cannon-fodder who died in her name
and in the name of Kings and Queens before her,
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen

Is that not how it goes?

Wether he agrees with the monarchy or not is irrellevant.The national anthem was part of the ceremony paying respects to British fallen soldiers.He has offended many veterens who are still alive today.
If i go to a funeral i join in with the prayers and hymns out of respect for the person who's funeral it is even though i'm not religious.
Not just that but he is there in his proffessional capacity as leader of the labour party and was representing his party.I would bet the majority if not all of the rest of the Labour party would have sung the anthem to show their respect.He has not represented the views of his party just his own personal vendetta against the queen and possibly country while insulting our veterans.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

If i go to a funeral i join in with the prayers and hymns out of respect for the person who's funeral it is even though i'm not religious.

On that, then, we fundamentally differ; I don't think lying and compromising your beliefs is respectful to anyone at all, in any ciscumstance.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

On that, then, we fundamentally differ; I don't think lying and compromising your beliefs is respectful to anyone at all, in any ciscumstance.

I may not believe the words in the prayers or hymns but if it helps to comfort the family and loved ones of the deceased and if the deceased believed in god too then i think it is a way to show your compassion and respect for them.I don't have to believe in it to sing it.I don't choose to go to church at any other time but if i'm there i'm gonna join in.When in Rome etc etc

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I may not believe the words in the prayers or hymns but if it helps to comfort the family and loved ones of the deceased and if the deceased believed in god too then i think it is a way to show your compassion and respect for them.I don't have to believe in it to sing it.I don't choose to go to church at any other time but if i'm there i'm gonna join in.When in Rome etc etc

When in Rome.... is that just another way of saying kowtow to social norms regardless of personal principles?

I believe he's right to sing or not sing whatever he pleases, it will be used as another stick to beat him with as here we hate any forms of individuality or freedom of thought seemingly.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

When in Rome.... is that just another way of saying kowtow to social norms regardless of personal principles?

I believe he's right to sing or not sing whatever he pleases, it will be used as another stick to beat him with as here we hate any forms of individuality or freedom of thought seemingly.

Well there's a surprise.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Well there's a surprise.

I have an opinion.... what's the surprise?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

When in Rome.... is that just another way of saying kowtow to social norms regardless of personal principles?

I believe he's right to sing or not sing whatever he pleases, it will be used as another stick to beat him with as here we hate any forms of individuality or freedom of thought seemingly.

It does'nt hurt or offend me to sing a hymn and it makes other people feel better.It is win win.It would not hurt Corbyn to sing the anthem and show a little respect and not offend our vets and families of our fallen vets.Imo.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It does'nt hurt or offend me to sing a hymn and it makes other people feel better.It is win win.It would not hurt Corbyn to sing the anthem and show a little respect and not offend our vets and families of our fallen vets.Imo.

It doesn't mean anything of the kind... you're projecting your own interpretation of his actions here only, he has explained he was thinking of the fallen so why must he be warbling 'God save the queen' to do this?
What you would or wouldn't do in this instance is of no consequence.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

When in Rome.... is that just another way of saying kowtow to social norms regardless of personal principles?

I believe he's right to sing or not sing whatever he pleases, it will be used as another stick to beat him with as here we hate any forms of individuality or freedom of thought seemingly.

He is in a different position to the average person in the street though. He is leader of a political party. With that comes responsibility.

To me, its just a continuation of the dick head he has been all these years. He has always been anti establishment, and he is now a leader and representative of that establishment, sticking up 2 fingers at it. Its a joke, and the guy is a giant douche