[jet]

Originally Posted by Dollface

True, i'd forgotten that with Janice being evicted there wont be anymore altercations between Austin and her for James to get involved in but I guess he could start bitching about Janice to Austin now that she's gone, which would sort of be backtracking, idk.

I doubt it. James isn't a bitchy sort of person.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jet

I doubt it. James isn't a bitchy sort of person.

True, James is very chilled out and laid Back. He likes everyone to get on and hates conflict.

[Ironman25]

It's quite simple: James is playing the game (better and more strategic than anyone ever before). James has as much interest in continuing a friendship with Austin as I have in the vagina. The most real, honest moment James displayed in the house was telling Austin that he doesn't really know him.

[Robodog]

No it was SO tactical for a few reasons.

1. Who else was he going to vote? Clovi, Sherrie, Bobby, Janice and Natasha are all well known and liked by the public far more than Austin and Jenna. James knows this. No one's ever heard of Austin before the show and Jenna is a porn star so that's not national treasure material like the other HMs. It was a crowd pleasing vote to avoid the 'nice' HMs and vote for the two lesser known 'bad guy' HMs.

2. The 'moral crusader' James used the vote to show the world once again just how moral and wonderful he is by voting for 'right over wrong' even when it's his own mates he has to turn over! Forget the fact that REAL mates would just pull you aside to tell you about your bad behaviour, not NOMINATE you as a 'punishment'; there is no logic in doing that other than to advertise your own nauseating self of self-righteousness. His friendships in the house (as he even let slip to Austin) are NOT REAL.

James nommed Austin and Jenna purely for his own gain and to bolster his public image as this moral crusader, not afraid to make tough choices in the name of righteousness, even at the expense of his own friendships. Yuk, what a load of BS.

[Beetlejuice]

The only thing you need going into a final vote to win vote is the spotlight on you and controversy. James's support intensified after he did what he did, even though many people have gone off him. But the desired effect was summed up by Bobby's reaction to it all "I think it took strength of character". That was what James was going for... He wanted to be both a sympathetic figure for being faced with such a predicament and a hero for doing what was "right". He wanted to be celebrated for his strength, his moral courage, his integrity. Either way, all eyes were on him. If you disappear into the background on this show you have no chance.

Similarly, Austin's support has intensified after the HL show where he lashed out and broke down.

All I'll say is that I have always found Austin to be a genuine guy. He's a warts and all person, but I do at least feel like I've got to know him over the last few weeks. James increasingly seems to have been hiding behind a mask.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

...That he would nominate Austin to gain votes. He's a smart guy, and he would know that nominating his best friend would lose him support and only make Austin fans vote even more to save him.
and why would he nom Austin, who was in the top four to be saved? It's so ridiculous his reasons have to be genuine...

If you look at what the others who nommed him said it shows how difficult Austin was being and how bad he was making people feel:

Bobby: he has an ugly side, a temper, refuses to accept people have a different opinion to him; no need for him to shout and scream and swear at people.
Natasha: he's carrying around a lot of hate and anger that explodes into the house several times a day and when he's unhappy the whole house hears about it.
Clovie: the way he addresses other HM's is unsettling, when he pops at Chloe (Stevie said) it gets his blood boiling
James: the way he treats people and goes off isn't acceptable, its hard for me because I have to make the right decision and as much as I love him how he's behaving is wrong.

James would also have known that Austin was going to get nommed and be up anyway, regardless of whether he nommed him or not.

Conclusion: James was genuine because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

The only thing you need going into a final vote to win vote is the spotlight on you and controversy. James's support intensified after he did what he did, even though many people have gone off him. But the desired effect was summed up by Bobby's reaction to it all "I think it took strength of character". That was what James was going for... He wanted to be both a sympathetic figure for being faced with such a predicament and a hero for doing what was "right". He wanted to be celebrated for his strength, his moral courage, his integrity for doing what was right.

Similarly, Austin's support has intensified after the HL show where he lashed out and broke down.

All I'll say, is that I have always found Austin to be a genuine guy. He's a warts and all person, but I do at least feel like I've got to know him over the last few weeks. James increasingly seems to have been hiding behind a mask.

100% agree

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by camertone

james could easily take austin aside and correct him, instead secretly in diary room, backstabbing his friend, which blew up in his face when exposed and he couldn't come up with any sensible excuses. teach him lesson by evicting? so much bullsh*t.

I agree.

In a competitive enviroment, after seeing especially the surprise eviction of Scoop,who was believed by housemates to be a real frontrunner.

A true friend not knowing if there would be a single or double eviction too, would then never put at risk the place the person they claimed to be a real friend of,had in the house.

James was way out of order in my view and he beacme from that moment, if I was to ever know him, someone I would probably never trust again.
It worked out okay in the end for Austin,who it seems the voting public stuck with.
I wonder however what James and the others reactions would have been had Austin been evicted.

It was a very devious, wrong and telling move for me as to James and his real character.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Forget the fact that REAL mates would just pull you aside to tell you about your bad behaviour, not NOMINATE you as a 'punishment'; there is no logic in doing that other than to advertise your own nauseating self of self-righteousness.

Exactly.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ironman25

It's quite simple: James is playing the game (better and more strategic than anyone ever before). James has as much interest in continuing a friendship with Austin as I have in the vagina. The most real, honest moment James displayed in the house was telling Austin that he doesn't really know him.

I don't recall James ever saying he wanted to continue a friendship with Austin outside? It is Austin who keeps pursuing it.
It is far more likely that it is AUSTIN who is playing the game. Have a steamy bromance in the house with the go ahead from his HUSBAND. Otherwise, he is being a two timing slag (which is what a married woman would be called if she was coming on to and pursuing a good looking single guy.) It was either pre - planned or he is being disrespectful to the man he has been married to for 6? years.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Robodog

No it was SO tactical for a few reasons.

1. Who else was he going to vote? Clovi, Sherrie, Bobby, Janice and Natasha are all well known and liked by the public far more than Austin and Jenna. James knows this. No one's ever heard of Austin before the show and Jenna is a porn star so that's not national treasure material like the other HMs. It was a crowd pleasing vote to avoid the 'nice' HMs and vote for the two lesser known 'bad guy' HMs.

2. The 'moral crusader' James used the vote to show the world once again just how moral and wonderful he is by voting for 'right over wrong' even when it's his own mates he has to turn over! Forget the fact that REAL mates would just pull you aside to tell you about your bad behaviour, not NOMINATE you as a 'punishment'; there is no logic in doing that other than to advertise your own nauseating self of self-righteousness. His friendships in the house (as he even let slip to Austin) are NOT REAL.

James nommed Austin and Jenna purely for his own gain and to bolster his public image as this moral crusader, not afraid to make tough choices in the name of righteousness, even at the expense of his own friendships. Yuk, what a load of BS.

1. It wasn't a crowd pleasing vote because Austin was one of the top four saved. Sherrie and Bobby weren't.

2. He did pull him aside, several times, and Austin ignored him. I gave my reasons why I think James nominated him in my previous posts and I believe those reasons are entirely logical and possible. James has a rather sanctimonious air but I think his reasoning comes from a good place and it's his nature, just as Austin has a hot headed rude nature but has good in him too.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jet

1. It wasn't a crowd pleasing vote because Austin was one of the top four saved. Sherrie and Bobby weren't.

Who was spending more time with Jenna, clearly the most unpopular housemate. It was also a way of highlighting how "bad" Austin has become. Look, even his friend is nominating him! How can people actually vote for a guy when his friend is even nominating him!

2. He did pull him aside, several times, and Austin ignored him. I gave my reasons why I think James nominated him in my previous posts and I believe those reasons are entirely logical and possible. James has a rather sanctimonious air but I think his reasoning comes from a good place and it's his nature, just as Austin has a hot headed rude nature but has good in him too.

James is smarmy. He's a con artist with a product to sell, and that product is himself.

[Vanessa]

Not sure it's just friendship Austin is after.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Who was spending more time with Jenna, clearly the most unpopular housemate. It was also a way of highlighting how "bad" Austin has become. Look, even his friend is nominating him! How can people actually vote for a guy when his friend is even nominating him!

That's stretching it...as if the public can't process what they see and make up their own minds.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Not sure it's just friendship Austin is after.

He was after a steamy bromance cooked up with his husbands permission for airtime and he played it well. He really stepped it up tonight for camera time with the final looming. James was crapping himself at one point.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jet

He was after a steamy bromance cooked up with his husbands permission for airtime and he played it well. He really stepped it up tonight for camera time with the final looming. James was crapping himself at one point.

No, he wants to ...... him

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

No, he wants to ...... him

Yeah, that too.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jet

Yeah, that too.

Let's be honest : who wouldn't? James is gorgeous!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes well, but I think he's just like that, highly principled about things like horrible behaviour towards an elderly woman but a bit sanctimonious with it. All in all, I think he's fair and good hearted and I'm very impressed by his manners. . I think that comes from being brought up by grandparents from an era of old fashioned courtesy and respecting your elders. He does seem old fashioned to me in a lot of ways. I think it's nice.

Old fashioned is not nice it's backward.

He nominated his so called friend because he got wound up by the older lady deliberately antagonising him in the house instead of defending Austin, and do you want to know why? It's the majority of the public are like you that don't think that younger people should argue on the old folk even if the older people are deliberately being antagonistic to the younger person, and James only serves James.

And btw you don't find it the least bit suspicious that most of Team UK nominated Austin? Especially the ones that “like” James?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Old fashioned is not nice it's backward.

He nominated his so called friend because he got wound up by the older lady deliberately antagonising him in the house instead of defending Austin, and do you want to know why? It's the majority of the public are like you that don't think that younger people should argue on the old folk even if the older people are deliberately being antagonistic to the younger person, and James only serves James.

And btw you don't find it the least bit suspicious that most of Team UK nominated Austin? Especially the ones that “like” James?

What a ridiculous statement. The particular attribute being referred to is James moral code, and morals is something that is sadly being eroded over time. So I cannot possibly agree with you on that point

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

That's stretching it...as if the public can't process what they see and make up their own minds.

You give the public too much credit with these Reality Shows.

[Ironman25]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't recall James ever saying he wanted to continue a friendship with Austin outside? It is Austin who keeps pursuing it.
It is far more likely that it is AUSTIN who is playing the game. Have a steamy bromance in the house with the go ahead from his HUSBAND. Otherwise, he is being a two timing slag (which is what a married woman would be called if she was coming on to and pursuing a good looking single guy.) It was either pre - planned or he is being disrespectful to the man he has been married to for 6? years.

You're right, James never said he had any interest in a friendship with Austin outside the house.

James is quite bright and someone who plays to win. I suspect that James examined the demographics of likely voters and also determined which strategies/interpersonal dynamics that led past housemates to success in the house and continued success after the series. From this information I suspect James planned his strategy (including options depending on a few variables) and has stuck to the plan. There have been a few times I think he has come close to breaking.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What a ridiculous statement. The particular attribute being referred to is James moral code, and morals is something that is sadly being eroded over time. So I cannot possibly agree with you on that point

Morals aren't eroding that's the ridiculous statement, what people perceive as “moral” depends on the times that you was brought up in.

I personally don't see how a younger person arguing on an older person if the older person is being antagonistic to the younger person is a good old fashioned value to have tbh, so yes it's backward.

Did I agree with everything that Austin said to Janice? No, but does it make him in the wrong entirely because his arguing on an elder? No it doesn't and anyone that thinks that is wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Let's be honest : who wouldn't? James is gorgeous!

Well it's the only reason why James in even gonna get votes in the final imo.

And some people thought that Cristian was boring.

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What a ridiculous statement. The particular attribute being referred to is James moral code, and morals is something that is sadly being eroded over time. So I cannot possibly agree with you on that point