[DemolitionRed]

It was an idea Cameron had that anybody challenging a DWP decision to stop their benefits should be charged for going to a tribunal.

What are your thoughts?

[Kizzy]

Schweinhund.

[JoshBB]

Completely idiotic, as per usual with Cameron's welfare policies.

[Firewire]

If they win their appeal at least they'll have money to pay for it!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

If they win their appeal at least they'll have money to pay for it!

How will they appeal without any money?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How will they appeal without any money?

It was a joke at how flawed it is

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It was a joke at how flawed it is

In Kizzy's defence, it's hard to tell on here sometimes

[DemolitionRed]

It will be interesting to see if the cost of taking your appeal to tribunal will be reimbursed if successful.

[Kate!]

Cameron is a lowlife bastard

[kirklancaster]

Is this piece of stupidity actual policy or merely being bandied around as planned?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

It will be interesting to see if the cost of taking your appeal to tribunal will be reimbursed if successful.

This was one of my first thoughts....

[Cherie]

Can't see this one getting through, it's a bit bonkers

[Ashley.]

I feel bad for some people though because the people on benefits that I've met are in their position because of their parents and not getting a good childhood/education. It's like an endless cycle of children being on benefits because of their parents.

[Tom4784]

It's dumb, I wouldn't expect anything different from the pig ****er though.

It's just another tory idea to torture the people that need help the most.

[DemolitionRed]

This is back door policy leading on from the drastic cuts in legal aid.

Skullduggery should have no place in running a country.

Luke, this proposal was leaked back in February 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...P=share_btn_fb

[Ammi]

...February 2014..?../ so under the Cameron/Clegg government, a while ago...anyways, this sounds a bit like some councils wanting to fine the homeless for cluttering and messing up their streets and how that would work../just dumb logic beyond really...

[JoshBB]

The government's economic policy is becoming very extreme, worrying.

[empire]

the government has spat at the hard working people for 4 decades, and no suprise their, if people keep on voting for the same old two party system,when they are laid off from their work, with the tory toffee nosed party, with their greedy the rich get richer, the poor get poorer,

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by empire

the government has spat at the hard working people for 4 decades, and no suprise their, if people keep on voting for the same old two party system,when they are laid off from their work, with the tory toffee nosed party, with their greedy the rich get richer, the poor get poorer,

Odd isn't it? I mean its odd that so many working class people vote for the Tories. I've spoken to many working class Brits who voted Tory and will continue to vote Tory. The irony is, these are the same men and women who barely make a living wage.

So whilst our present government continues to dismantle the welfare state, the very thing that was set up to provide a decent life for working class people; those living on sink estates and who can't get jobs because there are no jobs to be had or work and survive on minimum a wage continue to vote for the Oxbridge, Old Etonian filthy rich.

I believe that the Tories appeal to peoples aspirations? The new working class are no longer the hard working people who pull themselves up by their bootstraps, they are the benefit scroungers, the chavs and the immigrants.

[DemolitionRed]

A very good book called 'The Ragged Trousers Philanthropies' by Robert Tressel

The philanthropies are the workers who throw themselves into back-breaking work for poverty wages in order to generate profit for their masters.

Although it was written back in 1910 its frighteningly reminiscent of the Tory government versus the Tory voters in today's Britain.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Odd isn't it? I mean its odd that so many working class people vote for the Tories. I've spoken to many working class Brits who voted Tory and will continue to vote Tory. The irony is, these are the same men and women who barely make a living wage.

So whilst our present government continues to dismantle the welfare state, the very thing that was set up to provide a decent life for working class people; those living on sink estates and who can't get jobs because there are no jobs to be had or work and survive on minimum a wage continue to vote for the Oxbridge, Old Etonian filthy rich.

I believe that the Tories appeal to peoples aspirations? The new working class are no longer the hard working people who pull themselves up by their bootstraps, they are the benefit scroungers, the chavs and the immigrants.

Correct; the Tories have successfully tapped "working class pride". They have managed to convince people that if they have a job (any job) and work hard for a living then they are Tories and will be best off sticking with Tories. That Labour represents immigrants and benefits scroungers and that if you don't agree with the Tories, then you must agree with "shirking and skiving".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Correct; the Tories have successfully tapped "working class pride". They have managed to convince people that if they have a job (any job) and work hard for a living then they are Tories and will be best off sticking with Tories. That Labour represents immigrants and benefits scroungers and that if you don't agree with the Tories, then you must agree with "shirking and skiving".

In fairness though the Tories have been quite clever in their rhetoric and Labour did nothing to dispel the myth, hopefully they learned a lesson

[Kizzy]

True DR the tory way is to pitch neighbour against neighbour, the haves and the have nots. Except this time they throw a curveball and attack those who considered themselves as a conservative 'have,' families who get by both working and on tax credits?
Now they've found they are the new 'scroungers' it doesn't seem so fair.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

A very good book called 'The Ragged Trousers Philanthropies' by Robert Tressel

The philanthropies are the workers who throw themselves into back-breaking work for poverty wages in order to generate profit for their masters.

Although it was written back in 1910 its frighteningly reminiscent of the Tory government versus the Tory voters in today's Britain.

Excellent book, anyone who reads it would run out and join a union I guarantee it

[joeysteele]

This is a disgrace and I sounded off on this before.

This is one the most vile acts of this govt because they are losing appeal after appeal when things end up at HMCT.
However, people who wrongly lose benefits or are refused them should still go to appeal.

It is a disgrace to withhold justice and decency from people as to law just to save money.
There are firms who will take on your appeal, I have been with one who has done so, I have yet to see an appeal lost once it comes before a recorder/judge or any other overseer of such appeals.

A rotten policy from a rotten govt which should not have any place whatsoever in any decent society as to dealing with the most vulnerable and sick and disabled.
I have seen people wheeled into these appeals with only months to live due to cancer, due to heartless paper decisions by the DWP, as directed by the secretary of State too.

I have seen judges shake their heads in total dismay at what they have seen and heard as to many cases.

Justice should be denied to no one as to cost, and if the costs of these appeals are proving heavy for this vile govt, which they most certainly are hence this action on the paying for appeals, then clearly the decisions originally made by the DWP are massively at fault, if someone then comes out of court winning such appeals.

Stop the victimisation ,demonisation and persecution of the sick and disabled and most vulnerable then the costs of same will go down probably considerably anyway.