[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Actually only 47.54% believe it is a thing on here.

Lol. I anticipated this see above :

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Lol. I anticipated this see above :

That part wasn't there before

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Firewire

That part wasn't there before

I know sorry

[MB.]

I'm not really certain on my opinion on this but I voted anyway because I didn't want the 'yes' percentage to be that high and because this thread's messy enough already

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like I said since the start, I think gay people can be prejudiced against straight people, that can definitely be a thing but using the term 'heterophobia' will always be an issue since it will always draw comparisons to homophobia and, obviously, straight people will never have to suffer anything like that since they will always be the majority.

You can't use that term without the comparisons. If this topic was called 'Can gay people be prejudiced against straight people' then I'd definitely say yes but I just don't believe heterophobia is a thing.

This is my exact opinion about the situation, thank you for putting it into words.

[user104658]

So it's OK to insult people for arbitrary reasons, because they have it better than others. This seems totally valid. A completely legitimate reason to be a dick to people. That's what I'm getting from this thread really... "I have it worse than you so I am free to insult you and you can't say anything about it, and you DEFINITELY can't do it back, because my life is harder than yours".

What even is that? Really, though?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So it's OK to insult people for arbitrary reasons, because they have it better than others. This seems totally valid. A completely legitimate reason to be a dick to people. That's what I'm getting from this thread really... "I have it worse than you so I am free to insult you and you can't say anything about it, and you DEFINITELY can't do it back, because my life is harder than yours".

What even is that? Really, though?

That's it in a nutshell !

[Good King Glennceslas]

I think you've been reading this thread with your eyes closed if that's what you've got from it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I think you've been reading this thread with your eyes closed if that's what you've got from it.

No

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So it's OK to insult people for arbitrary reasons, because they have it better than others. This seems totally valid. A completely legitimate reason to be a dick to people. That's what I'm getting from this thread really... "I have it worse than you so I am free to insult you and you can't say anything about it, and you DEFINITELY can't do it back, because my life is harder than yours".

What even is that? Really, though?

If that's what you've taken away from my opinion or anyone else's then you haven't understood it at all.

Gay people can be prejudiced but heterophobia is not and will never be a thing because gay people will always be a minority and straight people will always be the majority. It's just a biological fact.

I don't think I've ever said that it's okay for the gays to insult straight people either, any gay person that does is a hypocritical dick but you can't call it heterophobia because it will always will always look like a joke in comparison to homophobia because it is. Everything in this world is balanced in favour of straight people and gay people have had to fight for everything they have and, even if they wanted to (very few of them would), they cannot persecute straight people in the same way that the gays have been persecuted thus heterophobia cannot exist.

Gay people can be prejudiced but the whole idea of heterophobia is laughable and nonexistent.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If that's what you've taken away from my opinion or anyone else's then you haven't understood it at all.

Gay people can be prejudiced but heterophobia is not and will never be a thing because gay people will always be a minority and straight people will always be the majority. It's just a biological fact.

I don't think I've ever said that it's okay for the gays to insult straight people either, any gay person that does is a hypocritical dick but you can't call it heterophobia because it will always will always look like a joke in comparison to homophobia because it is. Everything in this world is balanced in favour of straight people and gay people have had to fight for everything they have and, even if they wanted to (very few of them would), they cannot persecute straight people in the same way that the gays have been persecuted thus heterophobia cannot exist.

Gay people can be prejudiced but the whole idea of heterophobia is laughable and nonexistent.

You kind of did with the breeder comments earlier.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You kind of did with the breeder comments earlier.

Actually I didn't and I said as much the last time you tried this. Cherie was voicing her annoyance that it didn't go both ways and I explained why that was the case. I never said it was justified.

Keep trying to get one over on me though, you may succeed one day.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Actually I didn't and I said as much the last time you tried this. Cherie was voicing her annoyance that it didn't go both ways and I explained why that was the case. I never said it was justified.

Keep trying to get one over on me though, you may succeed one day.

That's not how I remember it.. you stated that being called a 'breeder' wasn't an insult.
But seeing as the comment isn't there we'll never know.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not how I remember it.. you stated that being called a 'breeder' wasn't an insult.
But seeing as the comment isn't there we'll never know.

Nice unsubtle insinuation there but, like all your little insinuations, it's wrong.

I only deleted comments that went off topic, none of my comments have been deleted. I edited out part of my post on the whole 'the majority is right' thing but nothing I posted on the breeder debate has been removed.

You just remembered it wrong.

[Kizzy]

So it is, It wasn't an insinuation..... I didn't like your comment that being called a breeder isn't an insult, this is me saying that directly.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So it is, It wasn't an insinuation..... I didn't like your comment that being called a breeder isn't an insult, this is me saying that directly.

hmm.

I didn't say it wasn't an insult. I said that, in comparison to what the gays face, it was a minor thing (and it is, VERY few gays would use that as an insult) and that it wasn't something to base an argument that Heterophobia exists on.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nice unsubtle insinuation there but, like all your little insinuations, it's wrong.

I only deleted comments that went off topic, none of my comments have been deleted. I edited out part of my post on the whole 'the majority is right' thing but nothing I posted on the breeder debate has been removed.

You just remembered it wrong.

I just want to say Dezzy, I think you are about the most inappropriate moderator I've ever come across. Straight people have been victimised on this thread by self entitled idiots and you have supported/condoned/excused that behaviour.

I no longer feel i can contribute to this forum, so I have asked Josy to delete my account.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

hmm.

I didn't say it wasn't an insult. I said that, in comparison to what the gays face, it was a minor thing (and it is, VERY few gays would use that as an insult) and that it wasn't something to base an argument that Heterophobia exists on.

You said;

"You will never have to face the same judgement or persecution so complaining about things like being called a 'breeder' is ridiculous, you would crumble if you had to lead the life of an LGBT person if you're complaining about being called a 'breeder'."

Or in other words;

"I have it worse than you so I am free to insult you and you can't say anything about it, and you DEFINITELY can't do it back, because my life is harder than yours".

As I said.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You said;

"You will never have to face the same judgement or persecution so complaining about things like being called a 'breeder' is ridiculous, you would crumble if you had to lead the life of an LGBT person if you're complaining about being called a 'breeder'."

Or in other words;

"I have it worse than you so I am free to insult you and you can't say anything about it, and you DEFINITELY can't do it back, because my life is harder than yours".

As I said.

Yes, that's true if you focus on that one sentence and take it out of context with everything else I've said.

As a whole though, I'm saying that it'd a ridiculous thing to complain about in comparison to the abuse that gay people receive regularly and my post to Kizzy after that clarified my position. I don't justify it at all but comparing what would be an extremely rare occurrence to what gay people actually go through on a daily basis is just dumb.

You should definitely apply for a job at the Daily Mail though, you're excellent at cherry picking quotes and taking them out of context.

[Liam-]

Yes winning

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Can we just close this thread now. I think it's been discussed to death and it's making me feel dizzy.

Then just avoid it I'm still enjoying reading it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If that's what you've taken away from my opinion or anyone else's then you haven't understood it at all.

Gay people can be prejudiced but heterophobia is not and will never be a thing because gay people will always be a minority and straight people will always be the majority. It's just a biological fact.

I don't think I've ever said that it's okay for the gays to insult straight people either, any gay person that does is a hypocritical dick but you can't call it heterophobia because it will always will always look like a joke in comparison to homophobia because it is. Everything in this world is balanced in favour of straight people and gay people have had to fight for everything they have and, even if they wanted to (very few of them would), they cannot persecute straight people in the same way that the gays have been persecuted thus heterophobia cannot exist.

Gay people can be prejudiced but the whole idea of heterophobia is laughable and nonexistent.

No. It is actually YOU who does not understand the argument.

For a 'phobia' to exist, it does not depend on numbers or majorities. If one single person dislikes and avoids straight people for no rational reason then 'Heterophobia' exists.

Unless ALL the dictionaries are WRONG and your idiosyncratic FEELINGS are correct.

I will say it again; you are arguing matters OUTSIDE of, and SEPERATE from the question set in the OP; "Does Heterophobia Exist?".

Strictly in the context of the above question, majorities/minorities, and whether gays are persecuted and victimised and straights are not, are TOTALLY irrelevant.

You are arguing outside the strict parameters of the original question, and 90% of all subsequent argument has followed suit - so we ARE off topic.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I just want to say Dezzy, I think you are about the most inappropriate moderator I've ever come across. Straight people have been victimised on this thread by self entitled idiots and you have supported/condoned/excused that behaviour.

I no longer feel i can contribute to this forum, so I have asked Josy to delete my account.

DON'T YOU DARE QUIT THIS FORUM BitOnTheSlide. We have not always agreed - sometimes heatedly disagreed - but you ae an intelligent, knowledgeable member of this community and your posts are always valid and interesting.

If members like you leave, then the intellectual integrity of the forum is weakened.

Think again mate, please.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You said;

"You will never have to face the same judgement or persecution so complaining about things like being called a 'breeder' is ridiculous, you would crumble if you had to lead the life of an LGBT person if you're complaining about being called a 'breeder'."

Or in other words;

"I have it worse than you so I am free to insult you and you can't say anything about it, and you DEFINITELY can't do it back, because my life is harder than yours".

As I said.

Well put T.S.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So it's OK to insult people for arbitrary reasons, because they have it better than others. This seems totally valid. A completely legitimate reason to be a dick to people. That's what I'm getting from this thread really... "I have it worse than you so I am free to insult you and you can't say anything about it, and you DEFINITELY can't do it back, because my life is harder than yours".

What even is that? Really, though?

I don't think that's what the no camp are trying to say, they're trying to say that it can't be called heterophobia because it's too small of a minority, and that because straight people have never been repressed it can't really be that much of a thing, I haven't seen people saying it's okay for the insults to be okay though tbf.

However on the top part of my post, I don't agree with their stance as a phobia is a fear or hatred of something, having a fear or hatred for straight people imo is a phobia, even if people don't want to call it heterophobia, it definitely has a phobia tone to it.