[Johnnyuk123]

Regardless of whether i was born in one country if i did actually hate that country i would leave it and go to a country that i love.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Regardless of whether i was born in one country if i did actually hate that country i would leave it and go to a country that i love.

Would you? What if you had a wife and family that wouldn't leave

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Would you? What if you had a wife and family that wouldn't leave

I would wave them goodbye at the airport.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I would wave them goodbye at the airport.

okay back in the real world where a lot of men don't want to dump their wives and children on a whim..

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

okay back in the real world where a lot of men don't want to dump their wives and children on a whim..

No we are talking about personal belief here. If someone really hated where they lived regardless of family don't they have the right to move to a place that they love where they can feel free and be themselves?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

No we are talking about personal belief here. If someone really hated where they lived regardless of family don't they have the right to move to a place that they love where they can feel free and be themselves?

Yes if they are free and single, no if they have family responsibilities as it has to be a family decision.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes if they are free and single, no if they have family responsibilities as it has to be a family decision.

In your opinion yes. But what your opinion is is not the opinion of others and others with families.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

No we are talking about personal belief here. If someone really hated where they lived regardless of family don't they have the right to move to a place that they love where they can feel free and be themselves?

"Regardless of family"???

Well, if it's a person who wants to move to another place that they love and set up a new life in another country I would hope they came to that conclusion BEFORE settling down with a spouse and kids.

If they have kids, then no they've given up the right to "do what they like on a whim and feel free". Being a parent involves a degree of selflessness.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"Regardless of family"???

Well, if it's a person who wants to move to another place that they love and set up a new life in another country I would hope they came to that conclusion BEFORE settling down with a spouse and kids.

If they have kids, then no they've given up the right to "do what they like on a whim and feel free". Being a parent involves a degree of selflessness.

I think all those single one parent families around the world would disagree with you on that. But in a perfect world yes but sadly the world is not perfect.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

No we are talking about personal belief here. If someone really hated where they lived regardless of family don't they have the right to move to a place that they love where they can feel free and be themselves?

I guess that's how the immigrants who land on our shores feel. Here's hoping you would be better accepted than they are.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Regardless of whether i was born in one country if i did actually hate that country i would leave it and go to a country that i love.

Life isn't really that simple though.

You can't just pack a bag and go to another country.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Life isn't really that simple though.

You can't just pack a bag and go to another country.

I might need a visa

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Life isn't really that simple though.

You can't just pack a bag and go to another country.

Why not? If that country has visa restrictions then its going to take a lot more planning but what's to stop a single person or childless couple packing a bag and heading off to Europe?

I've lived in France, Italy and the US. France was easy because of my French relatives and the US was easy because I had friends but I was 18 when I went back packing around Europe and ended up living and working in Trieste (Italy) for a year.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Why not? If that country has visa restrictions then its going to take a lot more planning but what's to stop a single person or childless couple packing a bag and heading off to Europe?

I've lived in France, Italy and the US. France was easy because of my French relatives and the US was easy because I had friends but I was 18 when I went back packing around Europe and ended up living and working in Trieste (Italy) for a year.

It can be done but obviously if you have kids it needs planning, and you need to know you can support them

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It can be done but obviously if you have kids it needs planning, and you need to know you can support them

But Cherie there are many people who leave their family behind and just leave the country. If only they cared enough to think about their children.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

But Cherie there are many people who leave their family behind and just leave the country. If only they cared enough to think about their children.

Not everyone can do commitment Unfortunately Johnny

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not everyone can do commitment Unfortunately Johnny

Thats true. not many can cope with commitment.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Why not? If that country has visa restrictions then its going to take a lot more planning but what's to stop a single person or childless couple packing a bag and heading off to Europe?

I've lived in France, Italy and the US. France was easy because of my French relatives and the US was easy because I had friends but I was 18 when I went back packing around Europe and ended up living and working in Trieste (Italy) for a year.

Because, as I said, life isn't that simple.

For a teenager on a gap year maybe, but it's quite a broad question being asked in the OP. The majority of people will have baggage/barriers in the way.

Not many people can turn a backpacking trip into a brand new permanent life in a new country.

I never said it was impossible, I said it's not simple. And it isn't.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because, as I said, life isn't that simple.

For a teenager on a gap year maybe, but it's quite a broad question being asked in the OP. The majority of people will have baggage/barriers in the way.

Not many people can turn a backpacking trip into a brand new permanent life in a new country.

I never said it was impossible, I said it's not simple. And it isn't.

My husbands parents are artists and decided on a whim that they'd go and live on a hippy commune in Spain. Three small children, my husband being the eldest who had just started school, were packed in a van along with the canvases and water colours and set out on a new adventure that was to last eight years. The kids were home schooled (mother was a school teacher) and lived with their parents in a troglodyte in Andalusia.

He always speaks about his wonderful young childhood right up to the point of coming back to the UK where he and his sister and brother found it extremely difficult to fit into a conventional school. For him, the east end of London was a grim place in comparison to what he'd been used to.

In his case, moving to a new country at the age of four wasn't a problem but moving to a new country at the age of 12 caused some massive problems in his young life.

So no, people need to consider the implications and it very much depends on the children's age and what stage of schooling they are going through.

[Ammi]

....I don't think that I would move because I 'hated' something but rather that I was moving because I loved something else/somewhere else and felt that, that was the place that my heart felt was right for me...for me, the place where the people I love most in the world are is the right place, regardless of which country that is...

[kirklancaster]

How old were his kids Johnny?

I cannot envisage ANY genuine family man leaving his young children - no matter what the situation is with his wife. If the kids are all grown up, fled the nest and started their own lives, then, that may be another matter.