[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Because its a Insult
Make Me and LT Very Angry

But now you and LT are taking YOUR beliefs to the extreme ,the very same as you accuse believers to do.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

christmas is nothing to do with religion it is an amalgam of historic and pagan tradition and with 95% of the population religion will play no part

To a lot of people it is everything to do with religion ,and of course you will believe that description of it being pagan etc,as it makes you feel better,it's just greed at the end of the day,you just cant let the people who believe in it and celebrate it as such,have their big day without wanting a slice and joining in.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There are many in this country now that detest all mention of religion, and terrorism in the name of religion sure doesn't help. Clearly the cinemas recognise this, hence their reaction.

And there are many in this country still - among them, Christians, Jews and Muslims - who do NOT detest all mention of Religion, so what is your point?

I FULLY understand Benjamin's valid point abourt 'over-reaction' but not yours, and for your information those 'many' to which you refer are still in the minority in this country - which is still predominantly CHRISTIAN according to all the latest polls -- despite what atheists and those of other faiths proclaim.

In addition, the phrase; "Terrorism in the name of Religion" is nothing more than a euphemism for IS, so it's pretty shady to use such a phrase in the same sentence as 'ALL RELIGION'.

'Blaming God for MAN's evil, and orthodox Religions for evil men's cynical interpretation of those Religion's 'Holy Books' is as stupid as blaming The Beatles for the cretins who went out and murdered innocent people because they 'discerned' hidden lyrics commanding them to in 'Helter Skelter'.

This decision is just another example of the erosion of yet more of all that which defines us as 'British' by bowing to 'Political Correctness' or those acting from more sinister motives.

Soldiers in military uniform were once looked upon with extra respect by the rest of us - now they are being forced into side rooms by hospital staff for fear of 'upsetting some of our Muslim patients and visitors.

Nurses - themselves surely worthy of our highest respect and admiration - are now threatened with dissmissal by their bosses for wearing the tiniest of gold crucifix pendants.

The traditional Nativity Play banned in schools for fear of offending Muslim pupils and their parents - even though one such school in my own DIRECT experience had hundreds of non Muslim predominantly Christian pupils and only ONE Muslim child.

'Blackboard' has now become 'Chalkboard' or 'Whiteboards' (We can say Whiteboard but not blackboard??? )

Midgets and Dwarfs are now 'Vertically Challenged', 'Short-sighted and Blind people 'Optically Challenged'.

What utter madness.

I do not believe that ANYONE in their right minds would find this advert offensive or would walkout of a cinema because of it - only those who have a an irrational deep hatred of Christianity beause of some very painful reason known only to themselves.

As Benjamin so rightluy suggests, this redefines the word; 'Overreaction'.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And there are many in this country still - among them, Christians, Jews and Muslims - who do NOT detest all mention of Religion, so what is your point?

I FULLY understand Benjamin's valid point abourt 'over-reaction' but not yours, and for your information those 'many' to which you refer are still in the minority in this country - which is still predominantly CHRISTIAN according to all the latest polls -- despite what atheists and those of other faiths proclaim.

In addition, the phrase; "Terrorism in the name of Religion" is nothing more than a euphemism for IS, so it's pretty shady to use such a phrase in the same sentence as 'ALL RELIGION'.

'Blaming God for MAN's evil, and orthodox Religions for evil men's cynical interpretation of those Religion's 'Holy Books' is as stupid as blaming The Beatles for the cretins who went out and murdered innocent people because they 'discerned' hidden lyrics commanding them to in 'Helter Skelter'.

This decision is just another example of the erosion of yet more of all that which defines us as 'British' by bowing to 'Political Correctness' or those acting from more sinister motives.

Soldiers in military uniform were once looked upon with extra respect by the rest of us - now they are being forced into side rooms by hospital staff for fear of 'upsetting some of our Muslim patients and visitors.

Nurses - themselves surely worthy of our highest respect and admiration - are now threatened with dissmissal by their bosses for wearing the tiniest of gold crucifix pendants.

The traditional Nativity Play banned in schools for fear of offending Muslim pupils and their parents - even though one such school in my own DIRECT experience had hundreds of non Muslim predominantly Christian pupils and only ONE Muslim child.

'Blackboard' has now become 'Chalkboard' or 'Whiteboards' (We can say Whiteboard but not blackboard??? )

Midgets and Dwarfs are now 'Vertically Challenged', 'Short-sighted and Blind people 'Optically Challenged'.

What utter madness.

I do not believe that ANYONE in their right minds would find this advert offensive or would walkout of a cinema because of it - only those who have a an irrational deep hatred of Christianity beause of some very painful reason known only to themselves.

As Benjamin so rightluy suggests, this redefines the word; 'Overreaction'.

You missed my rather clear point, if I were to see that in a cinema, I would walk out. Its a personal choice of mine. I'm not stopping others watching it if that what they want to do.

You say religious people are in the majority. I would say that is unlikely to be correct given that the cinema owners have chosen not to show the advert. They would not take that approach if the vast majority were religious and approved of it.

[Cherie]

So people will sit through adverts for things they don't need or will never buy, not to mention trailers for awful movies they will never watch, but would walk out over a religious advert

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

You missed my rather clear point, if I were to see that in a cinema, I would walk out. Its a personal choice of mine. I'm not stopping others watching it if that what they want to do.

You say religious people are in the majority. I would say that is unlikely to be correct given that the cinema owners have chosen not to show the advert. They would not take that approach if the vast majority were religious and approved of it.

By the time you had edged yourself to the end of the row and fumbled your way in the dark to the door the advert would be over

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

christmas is nothing to do with religion it is an amalgam of historic and pagan tradition and with 95% of the population religion will play no part

Every year as Christmas approches we share the same old 'chestnut' - no matter how many times we discuss, debate, or argue.

Online Dictionary:

Christməs/
noun
1.
the annual Christian festival celebrating Christ's birth, held on 25 December in the Western Church.

Mirriam Webster Dictionary:
Christmas
noun, Christ·mas often attributive \ˈkris-məs\
: a Christian holiday that is celebrated on December 25 in honor of the birth of Jesus Christ or the period of time that comes before and after this holiday

The Free Dictionary:

Christ·mas (krĭs′məs)
n.
1. A Christian feast commemorating the birth of Jesus.
2. December 25, the day on which this feast is observed as a public holiday in many countries.
3. Christmastide.

Oxford Dictionary
Christ|mas
Pronunciation: /ˈkrɪsməs/
Definition of Christmas in English:
noun (plural Christmases)

1The annual Christian festival celebrating Christ’s birth, held on 25 December in the Westerna celebrati bybthe WESTERN Churcjh Church:

Search EVERY dictionary, reerence ANY academic work, and you will see that CHRISTMAS is a celebratation of the birth of Jesus Christ.

Irrespective of December the 25th ONCE being of pagan origins, or Rudolph, or Santa Claus, or decorated trees.

Christ Mas means Christ's Birthday.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

By the time you had edged yourself to the end of the row and fumbled your way in the dark to the door the advert would be over

BOOM - Get in.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

By the time you had edged yourself to the end of the row and fumbled your way in the dark to the door the advert would be over

its a principle I have. I was forced to attend sunday school and go to church as a child by my parents. I will not suffer what is in my opinion a load of crap, one second longer. I also attended a non religious primary school and was belted 3 times for not reciting a chapter of the bible i was given to learn the day before.

[Suze]

I don't mind the ad, there are worse trying to shove things down your throat and play on heart strings.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But now you and LT are taking YOUR beliefs to the extreme ,the very same as you accuse believers to do.

For Sure

[Northern Monkey]

So now you can't have a Christian advert at Christmas in a Christian country.Seems legit.I wonder if all mention of Islam is banned in Pakistan for fear of upsetting other faiths or people of no faith....

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What about us who don't believe in Dawkins when you keep advertising him on here Arista?

Thats Fine
Its a great Book Cover
worth posting


I have that on T-Shirts

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats Fine
Its a great Book Cover
worth posting


I have that on T-Shirts

I want one.

[smudgie]

It wouldn't bother me on a personal level, however, all religion and politics should be kept away from cinema adverts, seems a good policy to me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I want one.

Custom Made


T-Shirt Printers
you take a photo in
They Print it

So you could Photo Print the Cover
go to a Color Printers

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

It wouldn't bother me on a personal level, however, all religion and politics should be kept away from cinema adverts, seems a good policy to me.

Maybe that's a good point, if this is allowed then we could see an avalanche of religious and political messages shoehorned into advertising space.
I wonder how much the production and ad time that message cost...
It begs the question with all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?

[JoshBB]

The advert should be allowed imo, along with any other religion that wishes to make an advert - so long as there is nothing political or hateful in it.

It may be worth reminding that we are 'officially' a christian country, although since striving towards being more secular seems to be more popular nowadays.. and that means having all religions (and non-religions) on an equal status, not banning religion from display like france has. That would be state-atheism.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The advert should be allowed imo, along with any other religion that wishes to make an advert - so long as there is nothing political or hateful in it.

It may be worth reminding that we are 'officially' a christian country, although since striving towards being more secular seems to be more popular nowadays.. and that means having all religions (and non-religions) on an equal status, not banning religion from display like france has. That would be state-atheism.

Superb post.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe that's a good point, if this is allowed then we could see an avalanche of religious and political messages shoehorned into advertising space.
I wonder how much the production and ad time that message cost...
It begs the question with all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?

The same way the Labour Party justifies spending tens of millions on advertising, which COULD be spent on alleviating the hardship and suffering of all those it purports to represent, but the question is frankly ridiculous.

The Christian church DOES carry out numerous and diverse good works of direct charity - from 'soup' kitchens in every town and city to various home and foreign charity projects.

I don't think I've ever seen a Labour Party 'soup' kitchen or any other specific charity projects paid for out of party funds -- which are collected from donations in the same exact manner which church funds are.

Apart from this, what is the difference?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

christmas is nothing to do with religion it is an amalgam of historic and pagan tradition and with 95% of the population religion will play no part

[JoshBB]

The way some of you are treating your own atheism is the same way countries like Saudi Arabia treat Islam - forcing it upon everyone, and denying others the opportunity to display their own religion in a way that they feel comfortable, which should be allowed and encouraged in a modern democracy such as our own. It's the same people who criticise religious oppression in these countries who seem to have no problem doing it here so long as it's supportive of atheism, is that not hugely hypocritical?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The way some of you are treating your own atheism is the same way countries like Saudi Arabia treat Islam - forcing it upon everyone, and denying others the opportunity to display their own religion in a way that they feel comfortable, which should be allowed and encouraged in a modern democracy such as our own. It's the same people who criticise religious oppression in these countries who seem to have no problem doing it here so long as it's supportive of atheism, is that not hugely hypocritical?

I wish I'd said this.

[arista]

"own atheism is the same way countries like Saudi Arabia treat "


Rubbish
This is a Thread
I have No Machine Gun pointing at anyone

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I wish I'd said this.