[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have a theory... this human fellowship isn't de rigueur atm is it?
Maybe that's the overarching message, we don't want hands around the world...we want to blow the bejesus out of the world.

Seems like it Kizzy

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

See what happens on here when religion is brought up.

The joker smileys and the mocking comes out in full force.

I agree johnny, it gets so tiring after a while.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The joker smileys and the mocking comes out in full force.

I agree johnny, it gets so tiring after a while.

It is extremely tiresome I agree

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. So they have ONE show. Why not?

So you admit Songs of Praise promotes Christianity?

[Kizzy]

Is that only funny when you're the one posting the mocking smiles marsh?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'll take that advice into consideration in the future, thank you.
.

No problem. You're welcome

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is that only funny when you're the one posting the mocking smiles marsh?

Oh here she is.

I love the joker smiley. When it's used primarily to come into a thread and mock someone it tends to be against the rules. Glad I could clear that up for you honey.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So you admit Songs of Praise promotes Christianity?

No. Broadcasting a television show about Christianity = / = promotion.

As I said earlier, that means all television is about promotion. I suppose Broadchurch promotes child murder?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. Broadcasting a television show about Christianity = / = promotion.

As I said earlier, that means all television is about promotion. I suppose Broadchurch promotes child murder?

The show is a full broadcast of a religious ceremony. How is that not a show about Christianity?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So are you suggesting that as the Labour party spends money on campaigning then they shouldn't advocate aiding those in poverty?
By not mentioning the money spent by the conservatives are you admitting they couldn't care less about anyone in need?...
Not sure why you have chosen to take this topic and apply it to labour in response to my query, this is an ecumenical matter ( I've always wanted to say that)

Look, I really do not want to be dragged into futile argument with you again, or suffer further warnings and infractions as a result, but you are 'moving the goalposts' again, and I surely have a right to answer you.

No I am NOT suggesting that; "as the Labour party spends money on campaigning then they shouldn't advocate aiding those in poverty" and NOWHERE in my response to your post do I state ANYTHING which could cause any reasonable person to educe that.

I NEVER mentioned anything about 'the Labour Party advocating aiding those in poverty' or otherwise. SHOW ME WHERE I used any of those words or anything REMOTELY like them.

I DID NOT.

I was specifically responding to the question you posed in your post which I reproduce here:

"I wonder how much the production and ad time that message cost...
It begs the question with all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?"


Which means to me, that you were criticising the Christian Church and saying they could not justify spending that money on advertising when there was "so much social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide".

Now, I am a well advertised Christian, and you are a well advertised Labour supporter, so I simply answered your - pretty obviously rhetorical - question based on these two facts - which is why I confined my remarks to the Labour Party and no other parties. Here is my post in its entirety:

"The same way the Labour Party justifies spending tens of millions on advertising, which COULD be spent on alleviating the hardship and suffering of all those it purports to represent, but the question is frankly ridiculous.

The Christian church DOES carry out numerous and diverse good works of direct charity - from 'soup' kitchens in every town and city to various home and foreign charity projects.

I don't think I've ever seen a Labour Party 'soup' kitchen or any other specific charity projects paid for out of party funds -- which are collected from donations in the same exact manner which church funds are.

Apart from this, what is the difference?"

Now if you re-read my post you will see it is quite lucidly written and nowhere does it justify ANY of your summisations above. NOWHERE.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The show is a full broadcast of a religious ceremony. How is that not a show about Christianity?

I never said it wasn't a show ABOUT christianity.

That's not promotion.

We also have shows about property buying and about music and about politics and about almost everything else in the world. Television has one television show that features a church and hymns and suddenly it's a huge trailer to lure people into a cult?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said it wasn't a show ABOUT christianity.

That's not promotion.

We also have shows about property buying and about music and about politics and about almost everything else in the world. Television has one television show that features a church and hymns and suddenly it's a huge trailer to lure people into a cult?

Thats not what you said your previous post.

The other shows mentioned all give counter coverage to the topics they promote. They are not just a celebration of a ceremony.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The ad isnt too bad but IMO right decision to ban it, imagine the outcry if it was a similar ad promoting Islam. We must not advertise religion. None of them. If you want reigion then go and find it. Isnt that the whole point of religion? That you find your spirituality and not that you saw an ad at your local cinema.

Very true, if it was Islam there'd be petitions and people screaming bloody murder. It's Christianity though so that's okay for some reason.

Religion has no place in advertising.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Thats not what you said your previous post.

That's EXACTLY what I said in my previous post...

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. Broadcasting a television show about Christianity = / = promotion.

A show simply being about something does not automatically make it "promotion".

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The other shows mentioned all give counter coverage to the topics they promote. They are not just a celebration of a ceremony.

Do they? "Adele at the BBC" featured sections dedicated to other available music to buy did it?

What "counter coverage" would you have Songs of Praise feature? A lecture by an atheist about why they don't follow Christianity? What would that achieve. The show is made FOR Christians. Are they not allowed to have a show for them to enjoy?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh here she is.

I love the joker smiley. When it's used primarily to come into a thread and mock someone it tends to be against the rules. Glad I could clear that up for you honey.

Oh here you are..... I was the first to comment on the thread honey.
I'll be sure to bear that in mind should anyone need that advice on SD

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh here you are..... I was the first to comment on the thread honey.
I'll be sure to bear that in mind should anyone need that advice on SD

Were you? That's nice. My point was more that you only ever seem to reply to me when you want to be pedantic or snide.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

There are no other Tv programmes made where a persons beliefs are at the centre of the show.


I suppose its just a coincidence it airs on a Sunday. I'd like to believe what you are saying but I dont agree. I think it is promoting Christianity.

How is it PROMOTING' Christianity? It is providing a TV program for Christians - in the same fashion that Football matches are screened for football fans or Soaps are screened for soap fans or Question Time and Andrew Marr are screened for those interested in politics.

Further; what is so wrong if a program DID promote Christianity in a STILL predominantly Christian country?

We are not under the Great Caliphate yet.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Were you? That's nice. My point was more that you only ever seem to reply to me when you want to be pedantic or snide.

NO!!! I WON'T HAVE THAT - there's me as well.

[Ninastar]

take em down marsh!!!!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's EXACTLY what I said in my previous post...

Then you proceed to contradict your own quote . I'm confused by your stance. TBH

Do they? "Adele at the BBC" featured sections dedicated to other available music to buy did it?

Of course it didn't but you mentioned music, that is not the only music program on TV and when was the last time a show like that was on? Not the best example. I see you didnt take my advice to heart and only listed one example.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Further; what is so wrong if a program DID promote Christianity in a STILL predominantly Christian country?

We are not under the Great Caliphate yet.

OK.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Then you proceed to contradict your own quote . I'm confused by your stance. TBH

I didn't contradict. SOP is about Christianity but is not promoting it.

In the same way Crimewatch is about crime but is not promoting it.

Very simple.

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Of course it didn't but you mentioned music, that is not the only music program on TV

No it isn't. I don't see your point?
TV is filled with science based documentaries/shows that don't follow any religious/christian ideology and discuss things from scientific viewpoints.

Or do you require a TV show that is SPECIFICALLY and obviously anti-Christian to address the balance of Songs of Praise's shameless promotion?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have a theory... this human fellowship isn't de rigueur atm is it?
Maybe that's the overarching message, we don't want hands around the world...we want to blow the bejesus out of the world.

No - 'This Human Fellowship is not De Rigeur' among the Islamic terrorists.

And NO again - 'WE' do not 'WANT' to blow anyone up - that is a 'NEED' forced upon us by the said Islamic murdering bastard terrorists.

Read a little dear. Watch more TV news progs.

[Niamh.]

What's with the "dears" and "honeys"? all very condescending

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I didn't contradict. SOP is about Christianity but is not promoting it.

In the same way Crimewatch is about crime but is not promoting it.

Very simple.

Lets go over this again as I say I'm confused by your stance. Is SOP a broadcast of a religious ceremony? How is that not promoting that religion?

No it isn't. I don't see your point?
TV is filled with science based documentaries/shows that don't follow any religious/christian ideology.

Or do you require a TV show that SPECIFICALLY and obviously anti-Christian to address the balance of Songs of Praise's shameless promotion?

No. I require no religious programming of any kind. That was the point I made in my very first post in this thread.