[Kizzy]

Can two radicalised people represent a column in America?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Can two radicalised people represent a column in America?

a column can be just one person. ISIS is world wide. they have columns on every continent, all part of the same larger structure. With the new information, there is NO DOUBT that these sick muslims were columns of the ISIS structure.

[Kizzy]

"At this point we believe they were more self-radicalised and inspired by the group than actually told to do the shooting,"

Lone wolves, people who were influenced but not instructed.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

"At this point we believe they were more self-radicalised and inspired by the group than actually told to do the shooting,"

Lone wolves, people who were influenced but not instructed.

hmm, well isis told them to get guns and bombs and kill as many "infidels" as possible... they've told every muslim that, so yes, that is being "instructed"...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Can two radicalised people represent a column in America?

Fifh Column

A clandestine subversive organization working within a country to further an enemy's military aims.

As Alex says; one person can 'represent' a column in any Country.

I love the quaint terminology - "two radicalised people" instead of good 'ole murdering terrorist bastards though.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

hmm, well isis told them to get guns and bombs and kill as many "infidels" as possible... they've told every muslim that, so yes, that is being "instructed"...

Spot on again Alex.

ISIS extremists have but one goal - to kill all 'Kufrs' - and their actions to this end are mandated by their OWN beliefs, but actual 'mass killings' are dictated by their ISIS overlords.

[kirklancaster]

QUOTE=Merry Kizzmas;8333062]Then why hasn't every Muslim and Muslim immigrant in the western world done just that?...[/QUOTE]

Because, as I have said many times, NOT all Muslims and immigrants are ISLAMIC extremists - in fact the clear MAJORITY are not.

Indeed moderate Muslims who DO NOT interprete certain of the Qran's passages as 'orders to kill or rape or abduct and ransome' are regarded just as much Kufrs by ISIS and other extremist Islamic organisations, as non-Muslims are. Hence why these poor innocents are being beheaded and slaughtered by these evil scum.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Fifh Column

A clandestine subversive organization working within a country to further an enemy's military aims.

As Alex says; one person can 'represent' a column in any Country.

I love the quaint terminology - "two radicalised people" instead of good 'ole murdering terrorist bastards though.

Well there's no getting away from the fact they were acting as they thought they should or as ISIS would want.
I'm not convinced of the link between immigration and acts of terrorism though,
many terrorists are Muslim converts or home grown UK and US citizens.
I am aware you didn't say all, yet as proportional representation I don't think the figures for immigrant terrorists would support an accusation of columnists.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Because, as I have said many times, NOT all Muslims and immigrants are ISLAMIC extremists - in fact the clear MAJORITY are not.

Indeed moderate Muslims who DO NOT interprete certain of the Qran's passages as 'orders to kill or rape or abduct and ransome' are regarded just as much Kufrs by ISIS and other extremist Islamic organisations, as non-Muslims are. Hence why these poor innocents are being beheaded and slaughtered by these evil scum.

My reply was to Alex

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Well there's no getting away from the fact they were acting as they thought they should or as ISIS would want.
I'm not convinced of the link between immigration and acts of terrorism though,
many terrorists are Muslim converts or home grown UK and US citizens.
I am aware you didn't say all, yet as proportional representation I don't think the figures for immigrant terrorists would support an accusation of columnists.

If you want to ignore the many examples over the past 18 months or so, of the link between immigration and terrorism, including the fact that Tashfeen Malik - the female beast half of the terrorist duo who have just caused such evil carnage in California - is an IMMIGRANT to the USA, then you continue as you wish.

'Proportional Representation? We are talking about murdering terrorist bastards here NOT voters.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

My reply was to Alex

You're 'reply' was NOT addressed to ANYONE:

"Then why hasn't every Muslim and Muslim immigrant in the western world done just that?..."
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And this is a forum is it not? Where comments - unsolicited or otherwise - are freely allowed.

Do you NOT comment even in responses to posts which were not directed or addressed to you?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If you want to ignore the many examples over the past 18 months or so, of the link between immigration and terrorism, including the fact that Tashfeen Malik - the female beast half of the terrorist duo who have just caused such evil carnage in California - is an IMMIGRANT to the USA, then you continue as you wish.

'Proportional Representation? We are talking about murdering terrorist bastards here NOT voters.

I'm saying your column theory is flawed, as the proportion of immigrants in the west that have committed acts of terrorism could not be considered an any way as a 'column'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

hmm, well isis told them to get guns and bombs and kill as many "infidels" as possible... they've told every muslim that, so yes, that is being "instructed"...

Then why hasn't every Muslim and Muslim immigrant in the western world done just that?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You're 'reply' was NOT addressed to ANYONE:

"Then why hasn't every Muslim and Muslim immigrant in the western world done just that?..."
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And this is a forum is it not? Where comments - unsolicited or otherwise - are freely allowed.

Do you NOT comment even in responses to posts which were not directed or addressed to you?

Fixed.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

I'm saying your column theory is flawed, as the proportion of immigrants in the west that have committed acts of terrorism could not be considered an any way as a 'column'

I really will not be drawn into a meaningless argument Kizzy because once again YOU have 'moved the goalposts' and are misrepresenting, and circular arguing.

The only 'flaws' are in your responses.

Just because no Jihadists' in their hundreds or thousands have broken their 'cover' and 'exposed' themselves as Jihadists by commiting acts of atrocity, does not mean those Jihadists who HAVE exposed themselves are NOT part of a 'Fifth Column' and it certainly does not mean that there are not hundreds or even thousands more COVERT Jihadists in that 'Fifth Column'.

You believe what you want to but I will TELL you this; I have been criticised, lambasted and suffered aggressive responses on here for my posts BUT I HAVE BEEN PROVED CORRECT TIME AND AGAIN.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Fixed.

Fixed is a good word. Apology is too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I really will not be drawn into a meaningless argument Kizzy because once again YOU have 'moved the goalposts' and are misrepresenting, and circular arguing.

The only 'flaws' are in your responses.

Just because no Jihadists' in their hundreds or tousands have broken their 'cover' and 'exposed' themselves as Jihadists by commiting acts of atrocity, does not mean those Jihadists who HAVE exposed themselves are NOT part of a 'Fifth Column' and it certainly does not mean that there are not hundreds or even thousands more COVERT Jihadists in that 'Fifth Column'.

You believe what you want to but I will TELL you this; I have been criticised, lambasted and suffered aggressive responses on here for my posts BUT I HAVE BEEN PROVED CORRECT TIME AND AGAIN.

Nope, I have the same point to make now as I did, I just rephrased it for you.
Hang on you can criticise people for what they've done...but what they haven't done?
Then sorry that just smacks of pure paranoia.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Fixed is a good word. Apology is too.

You're welcome.

[Ninastar]

Can't believe it took so long for them to 'confirm' it was terrorism. Ridiculous

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Then why hasn't every Muslim and Muslim immigrant in the western world done just that?...

Most KKK members have never lynched a black person, so what's your point? It's about the hateful violent ideology.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I really will not be drawn into a meaningless argument Kizzy because once again YOU have 'moved the goalposts' and are misrepresenting, and circular arguing.

The only 'flaws' are in your responses.

Just because no Jihadists' in their hundreds or tousands have broken their 'cover' and 'exposed' themselves as Jihadists by commiting acts of atrocity, does not mean those Jihadists who HAVE exposed themselves are NOT part of a 'Fifth Column' and it certainly does not mean that there are not hundreds or even thousands more COVERT Jihadists in that 'Fifth Column'.

You believe what you want to but I will TELL you this; I have been criticised, lambasted and suffered aggressive responses on here for my posts BUT I HAVE BEEN PROVED CORRECT TIME AND AGAIN.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Nope, I have the same point to make now as I did, I just rephrased it for you.
Hang on you can criticise people for what they've done...but what they haven't done?
Then sorry that just smacks of pure paranoia.

Kizzy, it is well known there are jihadists around that haven't taken any action yet that's what the process of indoctrination produces, and its been shown time and time again that people are being radicalised within the family too.

[DemolitionRed]

I'm always highly suspicious of conspiracies but when I saw all those reporters rifling through evidence, it immediately rang some alarm bells. The police hadn't cordoned off the building and left behind loads of evidence, including a quaran and ID cards for the press to photograph. The press officers were saying they'd never known anything like it. It also turns out that the building where the shooting took place was regularly being used for terrorist shooter drills. Witnesses initially said that 3 armed white men dressed in military uniform were shooting randomly at people.

The gun lobbyists are suggesting this was a government staged event and although I'd hate to think this was the case, there's something not right about this whole thing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Kizzy, it is well known there are jihadists around that haven't taken any action yet that's what the process of indoctrination produces, and its been shown time and time again that people are being radicalised within the family too.

Bots, like Alex said there are KKK members and other terrorist group sympathisers that silently sit there with their ignorance festering away, the percentage that actually act on their prejudice is rare.
Could we class the rise of far right groups a 5th column of the KKK?

'The “counter-jihad” movement in the UK is expanding rapidly, according to new analysis showing that 24 different far-right groups are currently attempting to whip up hatred towards Muslims and provoke a cultural civil war.

The most comprehensive report yet into the alliance of international counter-jihad organisations warns that Islamophobic groups in Britain are capitalising on public concerns following the Paris attacks and ongoing refugee crisis.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ural-civil-war

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Bots, like Alex said there are KKK members and other terrorist group sympathisers that silently sit there with their ignorance festering away, the percentage that actually act on their prejudice is rare.
Could we class the rise of far right groups a 5th column of the KKK?

'The “counter-jihad” movement in the UK is expanding rapidly, according to new analysis showing that 24 different far-right groups are currently attempting to whip up hatred towards Muslims and provoke a cultural civil war.

The most comprehensive report yet into the alliance of international counter-jihad organisations warns that Islamophobic groups in Britain are capitalising on public concerns following the Paris attacks and ongoing refugee crisis.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ural-civil-war

Don't get me wrong. I think everyone should support and encourage any movement particularly within the muslim community that speaks and acts against extremism.

In the run up to the vote and indeed after, we have seen extremist voices latch on to the main stream for and against positions to further their own agendas. It needs to be stopped