[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

he is a nutter BUT angela merkel is a bigger nutter for open borders and the insane schengen agreement that allows terrorists to move from the middle east to Europe unchecked...yet no one is saying anything about that.

Merkel and Trump are polar opposites, though we could say there are similarities, in that they both offer easy fixes. Whilst Trump is playing on the fears and dreams of a majority ethnic group that believed itself to be entitled, Merkel, has also fuelled the fears and dream of a majority ethnic group. Trump wants to give his majority a scape goat, Merkel has, though quite unintentionally, already done that. The big difference is, Merkel responded with compassion to our world’s largest humanitarian crisis since WW2 and Trump wants to create a humanitarian crisis.

As for terrorists moving from the middle east to Europe unchecked...that really needs its own thread. Actually I think there is one but it may of fallen into the archives.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Merkel and Trump are polar opposites, though we could say there are similarities, in that they both offer easy fixes. Whilst Trump is playing on the fears and dreams of a majority ethnic group that believed itself to be entitled, Merkel, has also fuelled the fears and dream of a majority ethnic group. Trump wants to give his majority a scape goat, Merkel has, though quite unintentionally, already done that. The big difference is, Merkel responded with compassion to our world’s largest humanitarian crisis since WW2 and Trump wants to create a humanitarian crisis.

As for terrorists moving from the middle east to Europe unchecked...that really needs its own thread. Actually I think there is one but it may of fallen into the archives.

It doesn't need its own thread it must be part of this thread as it is directly interconnected and must be treated as such. Merkel is far more dangerous than trump or any western politician. Her European project with no accounts for nearly 20 years is a frightening disaster. Her open borders, unchecked , no paperwork, Schengen nightmare which was mocked by the paris bombers, is going to see Europe go up in flames. Trump may be a crazy bigot but closing borders is probably a safer extreme at this stage than merkels insane euro zone disaster

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

It doesn't need its own thread it must be part of this thread as it is directly interconnected and must be treated as such. Merkel is far more dangerous than trump or any western politician. Her European project with no accounts for nearly 20 years is a frightening disaster. Her open borders, unchecked , no paperwork, Schengen nightmare which was mocked by the paris bombers, is going to see Europe go up in flames. Trump may be a crazy bigot but closing borders is probably a safer extreme at this stage than merkels insane euro zone disaster

There was only one Paris bomber that came out of Syria, all the others were home grown.

Fear is one of the strongest motivators for human behaviour, I believe your fears are irrational, but I can understand why you fear the way you do.

I don't believe for a moment that ISIS is sending its jihadist warriors over to our shores via potentially sinkable boats because they are already here and most of them were born here. Radicalisation is frightening because potentially it could be huge. Its very possible that some of these refugees could be radicalised but the reality is, if ISIS wanted to send terror cells to our shores, they would send them business class out of Saudi. They would arrive on temporary business visa's with all the credentials necessary, just like the terrorist cells that brought about 9/11. ISIS is an incredibly wealthy organization; they recruit soldiers by allowing them the spoils of war. They are paid large salaries and just like Nazi occupied areas, their soldiers live in the grandest of houses. If they wanted to disperse them throughout Europe they would have to make it worth their while.

Re- the terrorists of 9/11, Each and every one of them had been flown in, mostly from SA under the disguise of rich business families. They were housed in affluent areas and given playboy lifestyles. Nobody was in the slightest bit suspicious, why would they be?. These are the types we should be looking out for and not the penniless refugee who's only worldly goods are the clothes on their backs.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There was only one Paris bomber that came out of Syria, all the others were home grown.

Fear is one of the strongest motivators for human behaviour, I believe your fears are irrational, but I can understand why you fear the way you do.

I don't believe for a moment that ISIS is sending its jihadist warriors over to our shores via potentially sinkable boats because they are already here and most of them were born here. Radicalisation is frightening because potentially it could be huge. Its very possible that some of these refugees could be radicalised but the reality is, if ISIS wanted to send terror cells to our shores, they would send them business class out of Saudi. They would arrive on temporary business visa's with all the credentials necessary, just like the terrorist cells that brought about 9/11. ISIS is an incredibly wealthy organization; they recruit soldiers by allowing them the spoils of war. They are paid large salaries and just like Nazi occupied areas, their soldiers live in the grandest of houses. If they wanted to disperse them throughout Europe they would have to make it worth their while.

Re- the terrorists of 9/11, Each and every one of them had been flown in, mostly from SA under the disguise of rich business families. They were housed in affluent areas and given playboy lifestyles. Nobody was in the slightest bit suspicious, why would they be?. These are the types we should be looking out for and not the penniless refugee who's only worldly goods are the clothes on their backs.

6 of the 8 paris bombers have travelled freely back and forth in the last few months from the middle east to france without having their papers check...The trouble is with the Schengen agreement and the open border policy is 1) You cannot document and check people 2) Even if you do track them down they are able to move from country to country and are even more difficult to track down and catch. This is exactly what used to happen chasing down terrorists in Northern Ireland who regularly border hopped down south. There are now millions of refugees , all arriving at the same time and its purely logical to assume when we cannot check their papers that amongst them will be all different types of people and as france has proved some will inevitably be terrorists too. We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

6 of the 8 paris bombers have travelled freely back and forth in the last few months from the middle east to france without having their papers check...The trouble is with the Schengen agreement and the open border policy is 1) You cannot document and check people 2) Even if you do track them down they are able to move from country to country and are even more difficult to track down and catch. This is exactly what used to happen chasing down terrorists in Northern Ireland who regularly border hopped down south. There are now millions of refugees , all arriving at the same time and its purely logical to assume when we cannot check their papers that amongst them will be all different types of people and as france has proved some will inevitably be terrorists too. We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

How many people go to the middle east from Paris per year for business or to visit family?....You don't have to monitor people unless there is specific reason to.
That is pure paranoia.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

How many people go to the middle east from Paris per year for business or to visit family?....You don't have to monitor people unless there is specific reason to.
That is pure paranoia.

as always you misunderstand and misinterpret....people can go back and forth from the middle east to france without even having their passports checked...that is insane

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

as always you misunderstand and misinterpret....people can go back and forth from the middle east to france without even having their passports checked...that is insane

No you can't.

[bots]

Originally Posted by the truth

as always you misunderstand and misinterpret....people can go back and forth from the middle east to france without even having their passports checked...that is insane

that's because they were/are basically French colonies. The people you speak of are to all intents and purposes French

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

I strongly agree. We have to have a system in place that can better check the credentials of those entering our shores.

Why on earth would I call you a racist?