[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

They are certainly not MY views and I'm sure not the views of most true Christians. But because he has spouted his extremist views does not make him the 'Devil Incarnate' and I say again his views are ridiculous and offensive but he is not inciting people to kill or other such bile.

no and all people are saying is

1.he is a dick
2. he is not suitable for the BBC award

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A lack of a personality is better than a wretched one.

But now we are 'moving the goalposts' Dezzy. He satisfies the 'SPORTS' part of the award, and does posses a 'Personality', be it a 'wretched one', whereas some past winners did not even possess any type of personality.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

In my very first post on this I said that his remarks were ridiculous and offensive, and I am not saying that ALL those who find them so are 'Left Wing Bullies', just that it the same 'Left Wing Bullies' who have shaped the more ludicrous of the changes forced upon our traditions by their 'PC' vocalisation who will use his silly remarks to stop him winning this award.

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

no and all people are saying is

1.he is a dick
2. he is not suitable for the BBC award

Yep this really

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But now we are 'moving the goalposts' Dezzy. He satisfies the 'SPORTS' part of the award, and does posses a 'Personality', be it a 'wretched one', whereas some past winners did not even possess any type of personality.

Not really at all, but nice try trying to trip me up using my own terminology.

Someone can be likable even if they don't have a huge personality. It's easy to like people like David Beckham because of his achievements and because he seems like a nice person.

It's ridiculous to nominate Tyson Fury, he may have a louder personality than most but it's also repugnant. He isn't likable. The fact that he's an awful human being overrides his achievements and makes him a strange nomination for a 'Sports Personality' award.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not really at all, but nice try trying to trip me up using my own terminology.

Someone can be likable even if they don't have a huge personality. It's easy to like people like David Beckham because of his achievements and because he seems like a nice person.

It's ridiculous to nominate Tyson Fury, he may have a louder personality than most but it's also repugnant. He isn't likable. The fact that he's an awful human being overrides his achievements and makes him a strange nomination for a 'Sports Personality' award.

I was not trying to trip you up - this isn't personal. I was responding to your post.

Like all contentious subjects, it all comes down in the end to our own opinions and perceptions. I am an avid boxing fan so Fury's achievement - for me - is collossal and for that alone he deserves recognition and an award.

Do I think that his idiotic comments are offensive? YES.

Do I think that they should win him a 'Human of The Year' award? NO.

And as idiotic and offensive as some of his comments are, they are LESS idiotic and offensive than many comments and acts of other famous people who have attained lofty positions or capitalised on such traits to become rich and even more famous, and I do not believe that these 'gaffes' should prevent Fury winning Sports Personality of The Year'.

If he does NOT win it - it should NOT be for the reasons people are citing. In my opinion.

[Shaun]

At least he'll lose with ease to Hamilton and Murray. I just wish there was more coverage of the smaller sports because getting the bronze in the women's world cup and continuing to be world champion in the long jump, heptathlon (literally more sports to achieve in) and what not is far more respectable than a bloke who punched another bloke and won on a judges decision. I just don't understand the celebration of his supposed boxing achievement when he's fought two fights this year. I don't doubt he's trained and worked a hell of a lot but it's just such a dull, barbaric sport for preening twats.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Like all contentious subjects, it all comes down in the end to our own opinions and perceptions. I am an avid boxing fan so Fury's achievement - for me - is collossal and for that alone he deserves recognition and an award.

He has recognition and an award though - he is World Heavyweight Champion and anyone with a vague interest in sports is aware of the circumstances of his victory. For anyone who doesn't have any interest in Sports... well... the whole thing is irrelevant, surely.

In my opinion, being honest, the "Sports Personality" award should really go to someone in the world of sports who has done or achieved something that hasn't been recognised through their own sport - e.g. setting up a sports center for troubled kids, going above and beyond with charity work, or even just doing a lot to really further and drive their sport forward. If there was a Sporting Achievement award for something that could be considered above the norm (which does apply in this case, it's a fascinating story) then there's no reason he shouldn't be considered.

But he has really done nothing at all for the image of Boxing. In fact, he has done and said a lot to really set the sport back decades; back to the image of boxing not as a professional and disciplined art... but a slugging match for aggressive, thuggish, unintelligent blokes. Back to the days of Tyson Original biting off ears, etc. An image which it was starting to pull away from.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It has to be Andy Murray

[EspeonBB]

He's a ****.

And for people defending him using freedom of speech, yes he does but everyone else also has freedom to criticize him for his statements and the right to be offended. It works both ways.

[bots]

I just can't get excited about it, the guy is a prize knob, and the sports personality of the year is a non award of zero significance. Its got about as much relevance as crowning someone king/queen of the jungle.

[Jack_]

What's ****ing astounding here is that very often on this forum people make the argument that certain people shouldn't win Big Brother (or other reality shows for that matter) because they're not very nice people, have said or done twattish things, and that as a result it would be 'immoral' if they won, and so should be evicted far in advance of that point.

Bearing in mind that mentality is in the context of a ****ing television programme of which its result will have no effect on its viewers, or any kind of cultural impact, just said person being financially rewarded (as if there aren't already thousands of ***** around the world making money they don't deserve). Yet here is an award that is culturally significant, does reflect a nation's beliefs, can endorse certain values and influence people as a result - and we're told it's perfectly okay for us to brush his comments under the carpet, pretend it's irrelevant and continue to support both his nomination and hypothetical win.

What an absolutely ****ing ludicrous display of misplaced priorities and supposed 'morality'. This forum never ceases to amaze me

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dasherleyne

He's a ****.

And for people defending him using freedom of speech, yes he does but everyone else also has freedom to criticize him for his statements and the right to be offended. It works both ways.

No one has said on this thread that you can't voice your opinion, people want Fury removed from a sports award ceremony because they don't agree with his

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its not the prize or award its the fact its the BBC's flagship sports show and its a celebration of all sporting prowess this year


Can anyone really see the auditorium standing clapping if TF gets up to get his award from Sue?

I cant

For a start Sue should be at home making tea

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Its not the prize or award its the fact its the BBC's flagship sports show and its a celebration of all sporting prowess this year


Can anyone really see the auditorium standing clapping if TF gets up to get his award from Sue?

I cant

For a start Sue should be at home making tea

Maybe she will offer him a cup ...

[Dollface]

Ew @ him tbh

[Brother Leon]

So Murray should win instead as Fury has a crap personality...what? Lol

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Its not the prize or award its the fact its the BBC's flagship sports show and its a celebration of all sporting prowess this year


Can anyone really see the auditorium standing clapping if TF gets up to get his award from Sue?

I cant

For a start Sue should be at home making tea

That's funny but it actually illustrates the problem with him very very well

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

That's funny but it actually illustrates the problem with him very very well

Is that not part of traveller culture though, the women keep the house and the men are breadwinners? Who are we to judge other people for their beliefs and what works in their cultures

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by FergieWonderland

So Murray should win instead as Fury has a crap personality...what? Lol

Andy personality Murray I wouldn't mind but he wasn't exactly popular in England after his anti English comments until he won the Olympics

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Is that not part of traveller culture though, the women keep the house and the men are breadwinners? Who are we to judge other people for their beliefs and what works in their cultures

I can judge all I like thank you very much, it may be their culture but he's still saying a womans place is in the kitchen or on her back and as a woman I find that offensive whether his wife minds him saying it or not

Just because people have different cultures doesn't mean I have to like or agree with them. What about the practice of female genital mutilation, should I respect that also?

[Tom4784]

'It's their culture' isn't an excuse for backwards thinking, also it's offensive to suggest that the entire traveler community is as bigoted as this fool.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Is that not part of traveller culture though, the women keep the house and the men are breadwinners? Who are we to judge other people for their beliefs and what works in their cultures

Of course we can judge him for it, whether it's a part of his culture or not.

[Kizzy]

Then there needs to be a traveller revolt, those women who don't want to be just wives should say so, that's all it would take :/
As for his religious views he's not alone in that thinking is he? and even though things are changing it's at a slower rate in some places than others.
Maybe his achievements are great but I wouldn't say his off screen persona warrants 'personality' of the year in all honesty.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Is that not part of traveller culture though, the women keep the house and the men are breadwinners? Who are we to judge other people for their beliefs and what works in their cultures

yes they men all go out and do their 9-5 office jobs..

[kirklancaster]

And Lewis Hamilton is more deserving of a place in the line up than Fury?

He CHEATED during the Australian Grand Prix in 2009.

He CHEATED during his relationship with Nicole Scherzinger.

Fury might spout bollocks but he is a loving Father and husband who DOTES on his wife and kids.

I don't see anyone onjecting to Hamilton being in the contest.