[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Every other religion gets the piss taken out of it(Life of Brian,Holy Grail,Jew jokes etc etc)so why should'nt islam?Islam is'nt above a good piss take just because they get more butthurt over it.If Muslims don't like it they can go and live in a nice free open country like Saudi or Iran.

that was not my point

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

that was not my point

So your point is that these petition signers don't really care about the issue that much and just pick and choose which causes they decide to dive into when they feel like it?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

what the hell are you talking about? where have you been for 15 years, theres nearly 100 sharia organizations across the UK , including sharia councils and arbitration bodies and tribunals ...Have you not heard of the radical hate preaching on the streets and in many mosques and the endless terror attacks across the world and in the UK , including umpteen foiled attempts. the schools too where certain radicals have enforced radical islam and the tennets of sharia into school curriculums ? this is not imaginary, this is real and must be dealt with and we must be allowed to speak about it and discuss it

We have Sharia councils that can have domestic tribunals. Sharia councils handle things like family mediation and arbitration matters but can't make any decisions that would conflict with national law.

Jews have a similar thing "Beth Din" that also cover matters such as business and divorce matters.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Every other religion gets the piss taken out of it(Life of Brian,Holy Grail,Jew jokes etc etc)so why should'nt islam?Islam is'nt above a good piss take just because they get more butthurt over it.If Muslims don't like it they can go and live in a nice free open country like Saudi or Iran.

Oh I've seen a few Christians get butthurt on here. Where would you suggest they go?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh I've seen a few Christians get butthurt on here. Where would you suggest they go?

Well since we're already in a Christian country then here will be fine.

[DemolitionRed]

This article was written the day before the Charlie Hebdo attack. https://theintercept.com/2015/01/06/...online-speech/ Freedom of speech in America only works for some.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well since we're already in a Christian country then here will be fine.

I think you will find that most faiths are accepted here because a faith doesn't determine your nationality.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well since we're already in a Christian country then here will be fine.

we were a christian country about 50 years ago but to claim so now is ridiculous

around 4% go to church

most of that 4 % are over 50


We are a wholly secular society

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This article was written the day before the Charlie Hebdo attack. https://theintercept.com/2015/01/06/...online-speech/ Freedom of speech in America only works for some.

"Perhaps the most potent example yet was the most recent Israeli attack on Gaza, where, for the first time, the full brutality and savagery of Israeli aggression was publicly conveyed. That’s because, despite their poverty, many ordinary Gazans now have video cameras on their cellphones and a Twitter account, which meant they were regularly uploading horrific video of Israeli bombs and tanks destroying hospitals, schools and apartment buildings, which in turn prevented Western journalists from ignoring or diluting the civilian carnage."

from that article


I think I will pass

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think you will find that most faiths are accepted here because a faith doesn't determine your nationality.

Yes most or all faiths are accepted here and are all open to being ridiculed and mocked(and they are).
I have'nt seen any Christians or Jews shooting up magazine headquarters though or other media outlets because of it.
As i said,If Muslims don't like their religion being mocked too they are free to move to the much less free society in a Muslim country.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes most or all faiths are accepted here and are all open to being ridiculed and mocked(and they are).
I have'nt seen any Christians or Jews shooting up magazine headquarters though or other media outlets because of it.
As i said,If Muslims don't like their religion being mocked too they are free to move to the much less free society in a Muslim country.

What you have to ask yourself is this...
Was it all Muslims in the West that went on a shooting spree and killed those men in the Charlie Hebdo offices? If the answer is no, then what's your point?

Christians on here are often offended by things that are said and they have a right to be offended.
Muslims have a right to be offended by the drawings of Mohammed depicted in the Charlie Hebdo magazines. Why would they have to leave a country just because something offends them?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

we were a christian country about 50 years ago but to claim so now is ridiculous

around 4% go to church

most of that 4 % are over 50


We are a wholly secular society

Egypt has many faiths within but as you look along the horizon from your hotel or from most locations you see the minarets from mosques all around.Egypt has churches and other religious buildings within,However it is still a muslim country.
Just as every village,town or city in Britain has one or more churches in.Areas are divided into parishes.
Whether we like it or not the foundations of this country we live in today were built on Christianity.
(PS i'm not even religious).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Egypt has many faiths within but as you look along the horizon from your hotel or from most locations you see the minarets from mosques all around.Egypt has churches and other religious buildings within,However it is still a muslim country.
Just as every village,town or city in Britain has one or more churches in.Areas are divided into parishes.
Whether we like it or not the foundations of this country we live in today were built on Christianity.
(PS i'm not even religious).

Most churches are either derelict or thrift shops etc

what foundations do you refer to?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What you have to ask yourself is this...
Was it all Muslims in the West that went on a shooting spree and killed those men in the Charlie Hebdo offices? If the answer is no, then what's your point?

Christians on here are often offended by things that are said and they have a right to be offended.
Muslims have a right to be offended by the drawings of Mohammed depicted in the Charlie Hebdo magazines. Why would they have to leave a country just because something offends them?

They have a right to be offended but if they feel so strongly about it that they are ready to commit mass murder then they should'nt be here.Or if they feel that they cannot tolerate their religion being ridiculed in any way then they should go somewhere where it won't happen or is outlawed.
Everyone has the right to be offended just as they have the right to offend.
If something pissed me off so much about a place then i would leave it.Freedom of speech and democracy obviously is'nt everybody's cup of tea eh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and being offended does not make you right

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Most churches are either derelict or thrift shops etc

what foundations do you refer to?

Not near me.I can see 4 active and open churches when i look out of my window.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Not near me.I can see 4 active and open churches when i look out of my window.

go down there on a sunday and see how full they are

[the truth]

there are no Christian churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia...go figure

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

go down there on a sunday and see how full they are

yet mocking the church upon which much of our nations laws and values are based, shame on you

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

yet mocking the church upon which much of our nations laws and values are based, shame on you

which laws and values do you refer to?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

They have a right to be offended but if they feel so strongly about it that they are ready to commit mass murder then they should'nt be here.Or if they feel that they cannot tolerate their religion being ridiculed in any way then they should go somewhere where it won't happen or is outlawed.
Everyone has the right to be offended just as they have the right to offend.
If something pissed me off so much about a place then i would leave it.Freedom of speech and democracy obviously is'nt everybody's cup of tea eh.

I agree but only a handful of offended Muslims did that and so we can't say they did it 'for all Muslims' or even in 'the name of Muslims'. Most Muslims were just as horrified by these shootings as everyone else.

I've seen some real nasty stuff said towards Orthodox Jews because of the way they dress (their religious uniform) but what I've witnessed is, those men just walk on without so much as a cursory glance. I'm sure they are deeply offended, in fact every time they slip on their shtreimel and venture out across London, they risk getting ridiculed by the ignorant.

What you have to remember is, many Muslims and Jews for that matter were born here. This is their country as much as it is ours.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

which laws and values do you refer to?

Read the book, then sin no more.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

there are no Christian churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia...go figure

And you can't go for a holiday to Saudi Arabia if your not a Muslim.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

Read the book, then sin no more.

I was born a sinner

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree but only a handful of offended Muslims did that and so we can't say they did it 'for all Muslims' or even in 'the name of Muslims'. Most Muslims were just as horrified by these shootings as everyone else.

I've seen some real nasty stuff said towards Orthodox Jews because of the way they dress (their religious uniform) but what I've witnessed is, those men just walk on without so much as a cursory glance. I'm sure they are deeply offended, in fact every time they slip on their shtreimel and venture out across London, they risk getting ridiculed by the ignorant.

What you have to remember is, many Muslims and Jews for that matter were born here. This is their country as much as it is ours.

Guess what?

Spoiler:

I agree