[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

they reckon that the Muslim support of ISIS in non muslim countries is as much as 20% and that in Muslim countries its much much more, so when taken across the world, yes, it could be more than the estimate above. Supporting someone doesn't of course mean that they are going to take an active part.

Can you hear yourself agreeing with the fascists?...
It didn't say agree with ISIS, it said are extremists.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Can you hear yourself agreeing with the fascists?...
It didn't say agree with ISIS, it said are extremists.

I'm not agreeing with anyone, there are measured statistics on the subject. Supporting ISIS is supporting extremists last time I looked.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

I'm not agreeing with anyone, there are measured statistics on the subject. Supporting ISIS is supporting extremists last time I looked.

But you are taking the word of Britain first as gospel, if this 400 million figure is correct then the west would have ceased to be by now would it not?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

But you are taking the word of Britain first as gospel, if this 400 million figure is correct then the west would have ceased to be by now would it not?

i'm not, I took stats from other sources. Feel free to accuse me of all sorts by all means, but its really better to do some research yourself on the subject

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

i'm not, I took stats from other sources. Feel free to accuse me of all sorts by all means, but its really better to do some research yourself on the subject

Care to share... I'm astute but not psychic, how am I to know on what you base your theories?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Care to share... I'm astute but not psychic, how am I to know on what you base your theories?

with respect you accused me of being a fascist supporter without having done any research to see if the stats i was referring to were true or false. Do you really think I want the figures to be true? I sincerely hope you can prove me wrong. It's also worth me stating again that support doesn't automatically mean active participation, far from it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

I'm not agreeing with anyone, there are measured statistics on the subject. Supporting ISIS is supporting extremists last time I looked.

Not at all.
There are 32 million Shafi living around the globe. Shafi's are a form of Sunni Muslims who abhor, centralization (something ISIS wants) and could be called extremists against ISIS.

13% of the world's Muslim population are Shia and Shia have been called extremists by the ISIS who are fighting against them. ISIS believes that the Shias are apostates and must die.

There are 7.3 million Bahá'ís around the globe and those in war torn Syria and Iraq consider ISIS to be the infidels of Islam.

And then we have Sufis- Mevlevi- Naqshbandi- Bektashi- Chisti and others which have a lot more in common with Shiism and will therefore fight with the Shia against everything ISIS stands for.

You have to understand that ISIS are not a state representative of Islam before you can understand that a suggestion of 400 million ISIS extremists scattered around the globe have been pulled right out of a magicians hat.

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Not at all.
There are 32 million Shafi living around the globe. Shafi's are a form of Sunni Muslims who abhor, centralization (something ISIS wants) and could be called extremists against ISIS.

13% of the world's Muslim population are Shia and Shia have been called extremists by the ISIS who are fighting against them. ISIS believes that the Shias are apostates and must die.

There are 7.3 million Bahá'ís around the globe and those in war torn Syria and Iraq consider ISIS to be the infidels of Islam.

And then we have Sufis- Mevlevi- Naqshbandi- Bektashi- Chisti and others which have a lot more in common with Shiism and will therefore fight with the Shia against everything ISIS stands for.

You have to understand that ISIS are not a state representative of Islam before you can understand that a suggestion of 400 million ISIS extremists scattered around the globe have been pulled right out of a magicians hat.

ISIS is supported by a significant number of muslims across the globe, that is a fact. I don't understand why you would want to fudge the issue or downgrade it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

ISIS is supported by a significant number of muslims across the globe, that is a fact. I don't understand why you would want to fudge the issue or downgrade it.

Aren't you doing that by oversimplifying Red's argument to suit your own?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Aren't you doing that by oversimplifying Red's argument to suit your own?

No

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

No

Looks that way to me, Red's just explained it all pretty well and you've denied it so you can hold on to your own erroneous view that millions of people support Isis when it's not the case.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

ISIS is supported by a significant number of muslims across the globe, that is a fact. I don't understand why you would want to fudge the issue or downgrade it.

Fudging: present or deal with (something) in a vague or inadequate way, especially so as to conceal the truth or mislead.

Trying to explain something rather than sticking my head in the sand and believing all Muslims are potentially evil or that all Muslims potentially support ISIS is not 'fudging' anything. Every one of you have the ability to unravel where ISIS came from, who they are and what they represent but from where I'm sitting, some of you prefer to read and pass around anything that supports your blanket anti Islam argument.