[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This would imply that most extremists live here in the west.Which i don't think is true due to the very large percentage of muslims who hold these views.

No, what I'm saying is, extremists that could potentially be a threat to us re- future terrorist acts are the ones born and living here and not the ones coming in on boats.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, what I'm saying is, extremists that could potentially be a threat to us re- future terrorist acts are the ones born and living here and not the ones coming in on boats.

That wasn't the case in Paris though, so its not something that can be said with any certainty. Admittedly we have better controls here than they have in France, but the possibility still exists.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

That wasn't the case in Paris though, so its not something that can be said with any certainty. Admittedly we have better controls here than they have in France, but the possibility still exists.

Of all the terrorists in the Paris shootings, only two were from the middle east. The rest were born here in the west.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Of all the terrorists in the Paris shootings, only two were from the middle east. The rest were born here in the west.

Yes, but two isn't zero, and they did take an active part in the events in Paris, so there is a threat from incoming immigrants.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Yes, but two isn't zero, and they did take an active part in the events in Paris, so there is a threat from incoming immigrants.

Yes of course and that's why their identities must be scrutinized but there is far more threat from home grown fundamentalists.

Of all the Syrians who fled Syria, only one (and I say one because Ahmad al-Mohammad was a regular visitor to both Brussels and Paris so was hardly an immigrant) was thought to of come in with the refugees.

These men were born and bred in the West and were radicalised enough to die for their cause.
Salah Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Abdelhamid Abaaoud born and raised in Brussels.
Brahim Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Omar Ismail Mostefai born and raised in Paris.
Samy Amimour born and raised in Paris.
Hasna Aitboulahcen born and raised in Paris.
Jawad Bendaoud born and raised in Paris.
Mohammed Amri born and raised in Brussels
Abraimi Lazez French national born in Belgium.
Ahmad Dahmani born in Belgium.
Foued Mohamed-Aggad born in Morocco raised in Strasbourg.
Bilal Hadfi born and raised in Belgium.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes of course and that's why their identities must be scrutinized but there is far more threat from home grown fundamentalists.

Of all the Syrians who fled Syria, only one (and I say one because Ahmad al-Mohammad was a regular visitor to both Brussels and Paris so was hardly an immigrant) was thought to of come in with the refugees.

These men were born and bred in the West and were radicalised enough to die for their cause.
Salah Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Abdelhamid Abaaoud born and raised in Brussels.
Brahim Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Omar Ismail Mostefai born and raised in Paris.
Samy Amimour born and raised in Paris.
Hasna Aitboulahcen born and raised in Paris.
Jawad Bendaoud born and raised in Paris.
Mohammed Amri born and raised in Brussels
Abraimi Lazez French national born in Belgium.
Ahmad Dahmani born in Belgium.
Foued Mohamed-Aggad born in Morocco raised in Strasbourg.
Bilal Hadfi born and raised in Belgium.

The problem as I see it is that there will be those that actively support the ISIS cause and are waiting for their chance of martyrdom. There will be those that support ISIS, but would never dream of taking any action. There will be those that action is triggered in them, and the reason for trigger could be anything from radicalisation to someone treating them what they could consider badly or unfairly. There is yet another group with no support for ISIS but just want to be martyrs anyway and will attach themselves to it as that justifies their existence

We are probably aware of many in the first group, so hopefully many of them will get stopped in their tracks, the second group are of no concern, its the last groups that will cause the damage, and those are the difficult ones to detect, whether they are home grown or immigrants.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

The problem as I see it is that there will be those that actively support the ISIS cause and are waiting for their chance of martyrdom. There will be those that support ISIS, but would never dream of taking any action. There will be those that action is triggered in them, and the reason for trigger could be anything from radicalisation to someone treating them what they could consider badly or unfairly. There is yet another group with no support for ISIS but just want to be martyrs anyway and will attach themselves to it as that justifies their existence

We are probably aware of many in the first group, so hopefully many of them will get stopped in their tracks, the second group are of no concern, its the last groups that will cause the damage, and those are the difficult ones to detect, whether they are home grown or immigrants.

So basically you've ignored the earlier rational explanation of which specific theoretical branch of the Muslim faith correspond with ISIS ideology and go with your own 3 tier explanation encompassing all Muslims? Ok.