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Old 06-12-2015, 09:00 PM #76
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I'm always highly suspicious of conspiracies but when I saw all those reporters rifling through evidence, it immediately rang some alarm bells. The police hadn't cordoned off the building and left behind loads of evidence, including a quaran and ID cards for the press to photograph. The press officers were saying they'd never known anything like it. It also turns out that the building where the shooting took place was regularly being used for terrorist shooter drills. Witnesses initially said that 3 armed white men dressed in military uniform were shooting randomly at people.

The gun lobbyists are suggesting this was a government staged event and although I'd hate to think this was the case, there's something not right about this whole thing.
Just WHAT is NOT RIGHT Red?

You are not SERIOUSLY implying that these two Islamic Terrorist bastards were innocent and that the US Government 'planted' all the internet evidence and 'contact' with terrorist groups' well in advance, then had all these innocent civilians killed just to show Jihadist killers in a 'bad light'?

What did they do to Mr and Mrs El Fukco - Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and his wife Tashfeen Malik? Abduct them at gunpoint, dress them up in combat gear and superglue assault rifles to their hands, then drive them to the scene of crime whilst others planted pipe bombs and ammo and other incriminating evidence at their home?

Then perhaps the US Government paid ISIS millions of dollars to claim these two barbarians as their own ?

Something NOT RIGHT - what a load of crap.
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Just WHAT is NOT RIGHT Red?

You are not SERIOUSLY implying that these two Islamic Terrorist bastards were innocent and that the US Government 'planted' all the internet evidence and 'contact' with terrorist groups' well in advance, then had all these innocent civilians killed just to show Jihadist killers in a 'bad light'?

What did they do to Mr and Mrs El Fukco - Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and his wife Tashfeen Malik? Abduct them at gunpoint, dress them up in combat gear and superglue assault rifles to their hands, then drive them to the scene of crime whilst others planted pipe bombs and ammo and other incriminating evidence at their home?

Then perhaps the US Government paid ISIS millions of dollars to claim these two barbarians as their own ?

Something NOT RIGHT - what a load of crap.
It is just a theory, like your 5th columnist one, that sounds just as bizarre in all fairness.
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It is just a theory, like your 5th columnist one, that sounds just as bizarre in all fairness.
It is NOT a theory - it is an anti-Western anti-Democratic FANTASY. - and only to the self-blind is the well documented FACT of Fifth Columnists bizarre.
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You are not SERIOUSLY implying that these two Islamic Terrorist bastards were innocent

No, that for me is going too far, though I know a lot of Americans are implying just that.

and that the US Government 'planted' all the internet evidence and 'contact' with terrorist groups' well in advance

That wouldn't surprise me. Why let journalists into a crime scene when there is still so much evidence sitting around? Crime scenes like this are screened off for weeks and every ounce of tangible evidence is removed and documented. Security forces are now saying that the press barged their way in. My partner is a press officer and his reaction was 'wtf?...no way would this ever be allowed'

The rest of your post is an over reaction as per usual. What I'm saying is, there is something that appears to be odd about this and a lot of people are talking about it.

Something NOT RIGHT - what a load of crap.
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You are not SERIOUSLY implying that these two Islamic Terrorist bastards were innocent

No, that for me is going too far, though I know a lot of Americans are implying just that.

and that the US Government 'planted' all the internet evidence and 'contact' with terrorist groups' well in advance

That wouldn't surprise me. Why let journalists into a crime scene when there is still so much evidence sitting around? Crime scenes like this are screened off for weeks and every ounce of tangible evidence is removed and documented. Security forces are now saying that the press barged their way in. My partner is a press officer and his reaction was 'wtf?...no way would this ever be allowed'

The rest of your post is an over reaction as per usual. What I'm saying is, there is something that appears to be odd about this and a lot of people are talking about it.

Something NOT RIGHT - what a load of crap.
Well I am within my right to believe something isn't right and you're within your right to believe that's a load of crap. [/QUOTE]

Oh I'm NOT falling out with you Red or trying to. We are - usually - on opposite sides, but I respect you, and you are correct -- You have a right to believe something isn't right and I have one to believe sometings a load of crap.
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It is NOT a theory - it is an anti-Western anti-Democratic FANTASY. - and only to the self-blind is the well documented FACT of Fifth Columnists bizarre.
Is the springing up of far right groups across Europe a 5th column of fascist Nazis?
They're anti democratic too, isn't that an example of self blindness?
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Ffs DR and Kirk how have you managed to screw up the quoting system again? Now the thread is all but unreadable. It's a Nazi 5th column conspiracy.
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Ffs DR and Kirk how have you managed to screw up the quoting system again? Now the thread is all but unreadable. It's a Nazi 5th column conspiracy.
It's all Red's fault T.S - I'm Not guilty.
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Is the springing up of far right groups across Europe a 5th column of fascist Nazis?
They're anti democratic too, isn't that an example of self blindness?
This is irrelevant to my post, but I DO NOT deny the increase in 'Far Right' groups in Europe, but it is all down to a knee-jerk reaction to the ISIS atrocities by misguided anxious people, and opportunity seizing by nutjob extreme Right Wing factions who are playing on those ISIS atrocities AND the public knee-jerk reactions.

I despise the far right as much as I despise the far left, and NEARLY as much as I detest ISIS.

As for the section of your post which I have emboldened, I do not think that you really understand what a 'Fifth Column' is.
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This is irrelevant to my post, but I DO NOT deny the increase in 'Far Right' groups in Europe, but it is all down to a knee-jerk reaction to the ISIS atrocities by misguided anxious people, and opportunity seizing by nutjob extreme Right Wing factions who are playing on those ISIS atrocities AND the public knee-jerk reactions.

I despise the far right as much as I despise the far left, and NEARLY as much as I detest ISIS.

As for the section of your post which I have emboldened, I do not think that you really understand what a 'Fifth Column' is.
Sigh something else I don't understand? I wonder sometimes how I manage to tie my shoes.
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I don't doubt for one second the guilt of the couple who committed these terrible murders, but I must admit I thought it all rather odd that the press were allowed all over the house.
I wondered if it was to bring home the fact that to the outside this couple were just an ordinary couple going about there life, and people need to be on their guard.
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Sigh something else I don't understand? I wonder sometimes how I manage to tie my shoes.
I wonder how you do too. Can this be yet another example of synchronicity?
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Some people just need to blame the US for everything horrible in the world. It's always a nice feeling to blame others for the troubles in the world.
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USA won't be able to defend themselves until their ruler is out, Obama (Mussolini Wannabee) is an enemy to the West.
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USA won't be able to defend themselves until their ruler is out, Obama (Mussolini Wannabee) is an enemy to the West.
but the worst terrorist attack happened under the republicans (cheney and bush)...
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On the day of that attack the two terrorists
sent over 110 messages encrypted to the Middle East
The FBI leader has said need more accesses
but of course the President is like a Snail until he resigns
soon.


Ref: Forbes on Fox Live

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On the day of that attack the two terrorists
sent over 110 messages encrypted to the Middle East
The FBI leader has said need more accesses
but of course the President is like a Snail until he resigns
soon.


Ref: Forbes on Fox Live
What good is the discovery of encryption after the event when actual prior knowledge of the suspects identities and backgrounds and years of ongoing surveillance did not result in the prevention of that shooting?

Unlike us Brits who agreed we should have unfettered surveillance, it seems like most of the US are calling bullsiht on this one.
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Some people just need to blame the US for everything horrible in the world. It's always a nice feeling to blame others for the troubles in the world.
Don't you find it a bit sadistic and actually counter-productive to blame others and find enjoyment out of it, when you could actually find a solution to an issue rather than hide behind the "america can do no harm!!" shield?

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The republicans exist and yet Obama is the one being compared to Mussolini.. okay..
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Don't you find it a bit sadistic and actually counter-productive to blame others and find enjoyment out of it, when you could actually find a solution to an issue rather than hide behind the "america can do no harm!!" shield?
what are you talking about? who is hiding behind an "america can do no harm" shield? trump criticizes America and the US government just as much as he criticized mexicans and muslims.
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