[arista]

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-12-29/p...lding-toy-gun/


This was back in Nov.

and many say Toy Guns
must be kept in Home with kids



http://news.sky.com/story/1613520/cl...-rice-shooting

[Ninastar]

Why on earth would you point a fake gun at the police? That's just beyond ****ing stupid. I'm guessing this has only been reported though because it's a white officer? I haven't checked.

[Shaun]

Trying to place an adult sense of logic and rationality onto a child holding a toy gun is a little bit difficult, though.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Cameltoe and Wine

Trying to place an adult sense of logic and rationality onto a child holding a toy gun is a little bit difficult, though.

12 is old enough to have enough common sense to not hold up a fake gun at police, despite being asked 3 times to put the gun down

[GiRTh]

This was in an open carry state where if he was a hairy arsed 30 years old with a real gun and a permit he could openly carry that gun around the town and the police would not have even been able to arrest him never mind shoot him. The police drove up to him and shot him within two seconds of arriving,. How did he have even enough time to point the fake gun never mind use it.?

[Tom4784]

The problem with US police officers like the one that murdered this boy is that they consider their guns their first resort and not their last. I guess that's what happens when you don't weed out the trigger happy psychos before you give them a badge and a gun.

It always saddens me when people blame the victims of police brutality, a child was killed because this officer didn't follow procedure and most likely acted out of prejudice. Like Girth said, I think this situation would have had a different outcome if it wasn't a black child that was reported.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

****Warning*****

Heres the vid. The shooting occurs less than a minute in. It doesn't seem like there were any instructions given, they simply rolled up and shot him.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem with US police officers like the one that murdered this boy is that they consider their guns their first resort and not their last. I guess that's what happens when you don't weed out the trigger happy psychos before you give them a badge and a gun.

It always saddens me when people blame the victims of police brutality, a child was killed because this officer didn't follow procedure and most likely acted out of prejudice. Like Girth said, I think this situation would have had a different outcome if it wasn't a black child that was reported.

Dezzy I have been and Worked in America
Guns are normal, Its there way of Life.
One smart Looking fella had one under
his suit jacket
he said to me - you never know when you need it.
That was in NYC.


America is not changing for you
its a New Nation like Australia.
we the British Empire
used to Run America
we had better controls.
Of course at "that" time
Blacks were slaves,

But America was Ours.

Feel The Force

[kirklancaster]

This is a very sad day for the American Justice system, and it is a decision which does nothing to repair the severe distrust which Black Americans - rightfully - have for the forces of Law and Order, and one which will have grave repercussions in years to come.

In an age where the increasing phenomenon; 'Death By Cop', is recognised by all US Police Authorities, ALL professional policemen are thoroughly trained to 'Shoot To Stop' or 'Shoot To Wound' in order to disarm or incapacitate, and there can be NO excuses, no reasons, to 'Shoot To Kill' when the 'perpetrator' is a 12 year old child, especially one who - toy gun or not - did not actually attempt to shoot the 'weapon' he was holding.

Whether the actual time which had elapsed from the time the police arrived on scene to when they started shooting at this child, was 10 seconds, 20 seconds, or a minute is irrelevant to the facts that:

1) They immediately opted to 'Shoot To Kill' - not to 'Disarm' or to 'Incapacitate'.
2) The 'armed' child did NOT opt to shoot at the police. (Not that he could).

The above two facts are all that are REALLY relevant in this case.

Any mitigating arguments, that it was dark, and that the police did not know the weapon was a toy, have no substance when the child was CLEARLY dentifiable as a child, and that the child CLEARLY did not attempt to fire his 'weapon' at the police first, and when PATENTLY, no other measures but 'Shoot To Kill' were employed by the police.

[bots]

while i'm not condoning the needless killing of someone innocent, the situation needs to be put into context.

It is not unusual for 12 year olds in the USA to carry guns and for them to shoot and kill someone. Its not comparable to here in any shape or form, so we can't use our own circumstances as a reference point.

When a US policeman shoots, he can have literally milli-seconds to make a decision or he/she may be the one killed. In those circumstances mistakes will happen regularly. Even if there was premeditated intent by the police to shoot to kill, the law will always favour the police, because to do otherwise would tie their hands and lead to a totally lawless situation.

Is it right that a young boy gets shot? absolutely not, but the USA have created that environment with their own laws. Everyone who lives there knows the score however young or old they may be.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

while i'm not condoning the needless killing of someone innocent, the situation needs to be put into context.

It is not unusual for 12 year olds in the USA to carry guns and for them to shoot and kill someone. Its not comparable to here in any shape or form, so we can't use our own circumstances as a reference point.

When a US policeman shoots, he can have literally milli-seconds to make a decision or he/she may be the one killed. In those circumstances mistakes will happen regularly. Even if there was premeditated intent by the police to shoot to kill, the law will always favour the police, because to do otherwise would tie their hands and lead to a totally lawless situation.

Is it right that a young boy gets shot? absolutely not, but the USA have created that environment with their own laws. Everyone who lives there knows the score however young or old they may be.

Where is the evidence?
The police escaped charges, who are held accountable for their actions, nobody could or should get preferential treatment.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Where is the evidence?
The police escaped charges, who are held accountable for their actions, nobody could or should get preferential treatment.

I won't be doing your research for you. I've said this many times. Take a look at the death rates for under 16's in the USA, their demographic and their cause. Its not difficult to find the evidence.

[Kizzy]

My research? They are your unsubstantiated claims... If I had to personally verify everyone of those on here it would get mightily boring very fast.
Not sure how death rates prove your position on this either, you don't have to use a gun to be killed by one.

[Northern Monkey]

Its hard to tell from that vid whether the kid still had it in his hand when they dropped him.I know that if i was in America with a replica gun and the cops rolled up I would drop it and put my hands where they could see them straight away.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Urwreatha

Why on earth would you point a fake gun at the police? That's just beyond ****ing stupid.

I have nothing to add to this.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

My research? They are your unsubstantiated claims... If I had to personally verify everyone of those on here it would get mightily boring very fast.
Not sure how death rates prove your position on this either, you don't have to use a gun to be killed by one.

Under 16 gun deaths is an issue in the USA. Its amusing that I can add value to a debate with knowledge and it is considered unsubstantiated, yet, you who refuse to even research the subject can freely condemn it.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Its hard to tell from that vid whether the kid still had it in his hand when they dropped him.I know that if i was in America with a replica gun and the cops rolled up I would drop it and put my hands where they could see them straight away.

Exactly, because they all know what the environment is.

[GiRTh]

There is no evidence that he pointed the gun at the cop. Given the time frame of the vid it doesn't seem possible that the exchange the cops claim took place actually took place.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great news

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

[Ninastar]

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

There is no evidence that he pointed the gun at the cop. Given the time frame of the vid it doesn't seem possible that the exchange the cops claim took place actually took place.

The point is
Do not let you kid out the Front with a Gun.

Now Those Cops are Cleared
the case is over.

[GiRTh]

I find the attitude to this case quite disturbing. Regarding this case, It has been asked on many occasions, why did the officers not park their car a reasonable distance from the boy - they could park up to 100 yards away - and issue him an instruction to drop the gun and get on the ground from inside their squad car. The officers have not said why they didn't do that but have admitted they did not do that, so for all intents and purposes they drove straight up and shot him. I find the attitude of people, in a case where a real alternative has been put forward, to still say the officers "had no choice" to be rather disturbing.

If they had no choice its cuz they drove up far too close and gave themselves no choice.

Still nothing will come of this but I wouldn't rule out some civil unrest due to this decision..

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I find the attitude to this case quite disturbing. Regarding this case, It has been asked on many occasions why did the officers not park their car a reasonable distance from the boy - they could park up to 100 yards away - and issue him an instruction to drop the gun and get on the ground. The officers have not said why they didn't do that but have admitted they did not do that, so for all intents and purposes they drove straight up and shot him. I find the attitude of people in a case where a real alternative has been put forward to still say the officers "had no choice" to be rather disturbing.

If they had no choice its cuz they drove up far too close and gave themselves no choice.

Still nothing will come of this but I wouldn't rule out some civil unrest due to this decision..

Yes if only we had a Time Machine, Girth.

Now these Officers were Cleared.


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Can you Halt this Illegal Text Speak "Cuz"
is because.

are you typing on a Phone?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes if only we had a Time Machine, Girth.

Now these Officers were Cleared.


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Can you Halt this Illegal Text Speak "Cuz"
is because.

are you typing on a Phone?

Not sure why you think that's relevant. Surely the officer should have considered every option before they drove up and shot him within two seconds of arriving on the scene. Doesnt look like much thought was put into that decision to drive straight up and shoot him in less than two seconds. Of course they could have sat 50 yards away and called for backup if they were so scared. They didnt really hesitate to get the guns out and start shooting.

[erinp5]

Seems Cleveland police are trigger happy.Here are 62 police cars chasing one car for speeding, they then shot 137 times into the car killing two unarmed citizens.

Youtube video