[antifagz]

i've been blocked because someone doesn't agree with my points.. who's the bigot now win win for me!

[Suze]

No.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

Integrity???

Megan is an aggressor. = double standard.

Yes the black lady's gonna hurt me but not the raving white little girl.

Megan was drunk....excuses nothing but explains a lot....Tiffany was sober, it was lunch time, she went temporarily insane....big difference....Kristna has prob seen drunk women behave like that before but I doubt she's seen someone go from zero to insane in 10 seconds when totally sober

Megan was attacking John.....Tiffany was at war with the whole house...volatile, unpredictable and dangerous....she was attacking an old woman who was grieving and in shock so every reason to think she could just as easily attack a pregnant girl....nothing at all to do with her being black, she's as contemptable and appalling as the girl who won BB in the summer and she was white as a slab of ice....she is just awful, plain and simple ...just as awful as Megan....this isn't an either/or situation, they're both hideous people.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Megan was drunk....excuses nothing but explains a lot....Tiffany was sober, it was lunch time, she went temporarily insane....big difference....Kristna has prob seen drunk women behave like that before but I doubt she's seen someone go from zero to insane in 10 seconds when totally sober

Megan was attacking John.....Tiffany was at war with the whole house...volatile, unpredictable and dangerous....she was attacking an old woman who was grieving and in shock so every reason to think she could just as easily attack a pregnant girl....nothing at all to do with her being black, she's as contemptable and appalling as the girl who won BB in the summer and she was white as a slab of ice....she is just awful, plain and simple ...just as awful as Megan....this isn't an either/or situation, they're both hideous people.

bang on right

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Megan was drunk....excuses nothing but explains a lot....Tiffany was sober, it was lunch time, she went temporarily insane....big difference....Kristna has prob seen drunk women behave like that before but I doubt she's seen someone go from zero to insane in 10 seconds when totally sober

Megan was attacking John.....Tiffany was at war with the whole house...volatile, unpredictable and dangerous....she was attacking an old woman who was grieving and in shock so every reason to think she could just as easily attack a pregnant girl....nothing at all to do with her being black, she's as contemptable and appalling as the girl who won BB in the summer and she was white as a slab of ice....she is just awful, plain and simple ...just as awful as Megan....this isn't an either/or situation, they're both hideous people.

No, the whole house was at war with Tiffany. Although I saw her go nowhere near Kristina. But I understand the need to protect yourself from any madness including Megan's but Kristina was cheerful and undistressed when Megan kicked off.

Drunks have a greater propensity to be violent volatile and unpredictable. As was Megan yet Tiffany is labelled.

It's a double standard to make Megan's rage benign and Tiffany this stone cold calculated violent person.

[Vicky.]

Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.

not saying she is racist for sure, just asking a question and others peoples views on it.. like most people are asking why the housemates were fearing for their life over Tiffany when her reaction wasn't that bad like Tiffany was harmless. But when Megan flipped which was not even funny and worse than Tiffany's.. she was out of control anything could have happened and was more intimating with her behaviour no one said anything... like people are going to question that. I do feel Kristina and others were stereotyping.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.

I think there was a lot of heavily coded language and buzzwords like how Tiffany is HARMFUL and UNSAFE when the edit didn't really justify that, and that kinda hints at some racial undertones to me.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I think there was a lot of heavily coded language and buzzwords like how Tiffany is HARMFUL and UNSAFE when the edit didn't really justify that, and that kinda hints at some racial undertones to me.

Of course it is possible..I do think its odd quite how much of a dislike Kristina has taken to Tiffany. I just think that maybe, instead of automatically thinking its about race...other factors should be considered too. Like (as I have stated a few times in this thread) how non-threatening and pathetic Megan is even mid rant.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I think there was a lot of heavily coded language and buzzwords like how Tiffany is HARMFUL and UNSAFE when the edit didn't really justify that, and that kinda hints at some racial undertones to me.

what a load of tosh

[Livia]

Another perceived racism threat. Maybe, for safety's sake, the black people should stay away from the white people, just in case they say something that someone (usually a white person) thinks is racist.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what a load of tosh

New dictionary definitions

HARMFUL = BLACK

UNSAFE = BLACK

[Macie Lightfoot]

All I'm saying is that Megan was the one frothing at the mouth and actually demonstrating "harmful" or "unsafe" behavior but all we heard was that it's Tiffany who has to go.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

All I'm saying is that Megan was the one frothing at the mouth and actually demonstrating "harmful" or "unsafe" behavior but all we heard was that it's Tiffany who has to go.

different times and different circumstances

[Carl Jayson]

Kristina is getting fat, there's no way she will ever dance again she will squash her partner.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Carl Jayson

Kristina is getting fat, there's no way she will ever dance again she will squash her partner.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Carl Jayson

Kristina is getting fat, there's no way she will ever dance again she will squash her partner.

she is pregnant

are you aware what that means?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

Another perceived racism threat. Maybe, for safety's sake, the black people should stay away from the white people, just in case they say something that someone (usually a white person) thinks is racist.

how racist of you Livia. I'm offended

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.

Because of the racial stereotype that black people will be more of any negative characteristic such as violent. A stereotype that has been attributed to Tiffany. Even though drunken P!$e heads like Megan cause untold criminal damage in the UK every night.

Megan's rage is considered impotent amusing benign. Whereas Kristina adopted an attitude of caution and fear for Tiffany because she's taken on this negative stereotype.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

Because of the racial stereotype that black people will be more of any negative characteristic such as violent. A stereotype that has been attributed to Tiffany. Even though drunken P!$e heads like Megan cause untold criminal damage in the UK every night.

Megan's rage is considered impotent amusing benign. Whereas Kristina adopted an attitude of caution and fear for Tiffany because she's taken on this negative stereotype.

Why does it always have to be about race though...

Like I said either in this thread or another similar one...I would find Megans rage hilarious and would in no way feel even slightly threatened as she is a pathetic tiny beetroot face on a drunken rampage. Where if Tiffanys rage was directed at me, I would feel less easy about it.

Not because of race either, as I would feel the same with Gemma or Daniella, and a couple of others. Nothing to do with stereotypes..just some people are more...scary than others in general That may not be the right choice of words, but I'm sure people will understand what I mean by it

Again, I'm not saying kristina is NOT racist, just that to jump to the conclusion that she is for this reason is a bit silly to me...

[LukeB]

Tiffany rage wasn't scary/intimidating in any way, it was normal, so i don't really understand why anyone would fear her over that, like making out she's some dangerous psycho that's going to harm someone.. TIffany was harmless and gets told to leave and got isolated.. sorry that's comes across over the top and overreacting over something so small.. but when someone who was acting like a psycho and anything could have happened because she was out of control, gets a different treatment.

[LukeB]

And I'm not even accusing her of being racist... just asking a question seeing other peoples views on it.. it's not a silly question at all, many people would wonder the same thing. It's not about disliking/hating someone,, it's about treating people differently to another.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Tiffany rage wasn't scary/intimidating in any way, it was normal, so i don't really understand why anyone would fear her over that, like making out she's some dangerous psycho that's going to harm someone.. TIffany was harmless and gets told to leave and got isolated.. sorry that's comes across over the top and overreacting over something so small.. but when someone who was acting like a psycho and anything could have happened because she was out of control, gets a different treatment.

Which was disgusting indeed. However to describe her as harmless...I don't really get it

During that whole David thing it did seem at one point like she was going to hit Angie. It may have looked like that because Steph grabbed hold of her which drew attention to Tiffany storming in and made it look like something it wasn't (to Angie too..as she flinched/cowered)...but she actually did come across rather aggressive at random points. Though not (from what we saw) towards Kristina.

On the other hand we have drunken Megan ranting and raving on. Yes, acting aggressively but again...I really do not understand how anyone could feel threatened by her. Kristina also was not there for a lot of the worst of Megan's performance.

The hatred Kristina appears to feel for Tiffany could well be because she is racist. I don't think her finding Tiffany intimidating while she is kicking off, while not being scared of Megan, is an example of this though. However, if one of the other women (bar Steph...who is also pathetic) kicks off in the same was Tiffany did, and Kristina does not go OTT terrified again, then yeah, I would agree that it is likely to be racism.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

And I'm not even accusing her of being racist... just asking a question seeing other peoples views on it.. it's not a silly question at all, many people would wonder the same thing. It's not about disliking/hating someone,, it's about treating people differently to another.

I know you were just asking a question. Its the ones in here that have it down as certain racism and have been listing all different sterotypes (some I have never heard of) that I really don't understand

[antifagz]

Originally Posted by LukeB

And I'm not even accusing her of being racist... just asking a question seeing other peoples views on it.. it's not a silly question at all, many people would wonder the same thing. It's not about disliking/hating someone,, it's about treating people differently to another.

It's 100% a fair question to ask, and everyone is entitle to give their views on the matter. The problem I have, and this isn't directed at you, but some people seem to look at the situation and see that someone has taken an approach to a particular person and we don't necessarily understand that approach. So rather than give them the credit for having logical reasons for taking that approach, they seem to think 'oh i can't think of any reason why someone would react like this, they must be racist' etc.