[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think the police should put themselves out at all for anyone. It doesn't matter what they do, they get sh1t for thanks. Personally, if you're stupid enough to leave your home unlocked then the police should only turn up if you ring them.

People are worried about the police stealing something? LOL... I give up.

Oh for goodness sake, twist my words yet again why don't you!

The police don't have to steal anything to be accused of theft and there are some people who would accuse their own mother of theft if they think they're going to benefit from it.

The police could be making themselves vulnerable to false accusations against them.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I rarely lock my house up, no need round here

What
about a Nasty Stranger Driver near your road LT?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

What
about a Nasty Stranger Driver near your road LT?

i am well away from the main road and down a long unmade drive

i think it looks too scary for the average nasty person

and that I could have a gun or an axe or other weapons (its a yes to all)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

What
about a Nasty Stranger Driver near your road LT?

Or if Kirk tracks him down

[Johnnyuk123]

The police do a wondeful job of protecting us and this only makes me appreciate them even more. Well done to them i say!

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am well away from the main road and down a long unmade drive

i think it looks too scary for the average nasty person

and that I could have a gun or an axe or other weapons (its a yes to all)

How Nice

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

...and tweet photos.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-35400694

this is the heartwarming story of national security and protection, where if we leave our homes unlocked, the police can break in to expose our security flaws, then tweet about it.

If the house is unlocked they aren't breaking in it's trespass.

[JoshBB]

It's trespassing, whether they are police are not. They need to be reprimanded because this is technically illegal, but I don't think they should be arrested.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It's trespassing, whether they are police are not. They need to be reprimanded because this is technically illegal, but I don't think they should be arrested.

Trespass isn't criminal it's civil, they are still being dicks is there nothing better for the police to do then wave fingers at people?
Thought we were wanting to move away from a nanny state? Then why are the police adopting these humiliating tactics, and is it not a data protection issue for them to post images of your property online?

[Cherie]

Would it be trespass if a concerned neighbour called them your house because they heard screams and they let themselves on finding the door unlocked

[Cherie]

It's getting to the point now where victims lying in their homes will have to sign a disclaimer (if they are alive) before the police set foot inside when did we get so precious

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Would it be trespass if a concerned neighbour called them your house because they heard screams and they let themselves on finding the door unlocked

Obviously not that would be a response to an emergency Cherie haha!

[Ross.]

I can see their point of doing it but I don't think it's appropriate to upload pictures to social media

[Vicky.]

Been thinking about this, how would it work if the house had a dog...and the dog bit the intruder. The dog doesn't know its the good guys, and the dog would not bite in any other situation than defending its home (to get rid of the 'dog shouldn't be vicious stuff that would usually reply to this...'). All the dog knows is that this person is not meant to be in the house when its parents aren't home...

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why though? A note through the letterbox explaining that they tried the door and found it open, but closed it and did not enter, along with a pamphlet about burglary / some stats / the importance of securing your property would surely be just as effective. And 100% more legal.

Hey, my thoughts entirely.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Been thinking about this, how would it work if the house had a dog...and the dog bit the intruder. The dog doesn't know its the good guys, and the dog would not bite in any other situation than defending its home (to get rid of the 'dog shouldn't be vicious stuff that would usually reply to this...'). All the dog knows is that this person is not meant to be in the house when its parents aren't home...

Good point.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

A slippery slope to what this wasn't in the police manual of being a copper, it's two people who stepped outside the box ticking exercise that policing has become to raise awareness of people forgetting to lock their doors, they stepped into the hallway, what If they posted their pamphlet and someone was lying dead in the hallway, more outrage, another situation where the police can't do right for doing wrong.

A slippery slope to police officers being thought of by themselves OR by others as being "above the law", which they are not. Anyone who thinks this is a joke is terrifying to me. Small exceptions lead to bigger exceptions.

This IS in the "police manual of being a copper". They can't enter a private residence without a warrant, unless they believe that someone is in (actual, current) danger of being harmed or they believe that an intrusion is already in progress.

Warrants exist for a reason. The rules governing police conduct exist for a reason. They are laid out quite clearly, for a reason. Bending them to make some minor throwaway point in a massive mistake. Whatever their intentions - which I am sure were indeed good ones - it leads to unpredictability and mistrust.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Been thinking about this, how would it work if the house had a dog...and the dog bit the intruder. The dog doesn't know its the good guys, and the dog would not bite in any other situation than defending its home (to get rid of the 'dog shouldn't be vicious stuff that would usually reply to this...'). All the dog knows is that this person is not meant to be in the house when its parents aren't home...

This post is so apt on a Big Brother forum.

[Anaesthesia]

Just a thought.

If they found someone's door unlocked, and then entered, and then found evidence of something like a joint having been smoked, or some coke remnants, where would either party stand?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

Just a thought.

If they found someone's door unlocked, and then entered, and then found evidence of something like a joint having been smoked, or some coke remnants, where would either party stand?

There's a conundrum, they'd have to leave it all and go apply for a warrant is my guess.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There's a conundrum, they'd have to leave it all and go apply for a warrant is my guess.

But doesn't a warrant have to be based on reasonable grounds of suspicion? And if those grounds were based upon a trespass, which would prevail in the face of a "crime"

One small step

[MB.]

Is this how Gillian McKeith got in then

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

But doesn't a warrant have to be based on reasonable grounds of suspicion? And if those grounds were based upon a trespass, which would prevail in the face of a "crime"

One small step

I don't even think they would risk the bad press investigating, unless a few months later they had an 'anonymous tip off'...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

Just a thought.

If they found someone's door unlocked, and then entered, and then found evidence of something like a joint having been smoked, or some coke remnants, where would either party stand?

Couldn't use it in court and couldn't apply for a warrant using the real reason; which would inevitably lead to incidences of warrants being obtained under false pretences. They're also at risk of being accused of planting the evidence the first time they entered without a warrant if, for example, the occupant had cameras recording their entrance.

More reasons for sticking to the rules.

[smudgie]

What about all those nervous old biddies that hear someone trying their locked doors..enough to give them a heart attack.