[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

The slow dehumanisation of refugees is very much like what happened back then, I don't think people are connecting directly to the holocaust itself, but more to the events in the preceeding years. It's sad that people have forgotten the image of the young refugee child, dead on a beach, and now have gone back to thinking of them as less than human.

Fair point Chewy, the drip drip dehumanisation is reminiscent I'd say and Cameron isn't even attempting to disguise his part in it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Fair point Chewy, the drip drip dehumanisation is reminiscent I'd say and Cameron isn't even attempting to disguise his part in it.

Oh I think he's openly encouraging it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Fair point Chewy, the drip drip dehumanisation is reminiscent I'd say and Cameron isn't even attempting to disguise his part in it.

It is not reminiscent in any way, and if you think it is, there's a big gap in your knowledge.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

It is not reminiscent in any way, and if you think it is, there's a big gap in your knowledge.

I happen to believe it is Livia, I've taken what comments have been stated by the PM and other individuals as well as in the mainstream media. I don't expect you to agree, it is however my opinion.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I happen to believe it is Livia, I've taken what comments have been stated by the PM and other individuals as well as in the mainstream media. I don't expect you to agree, it is however my opinion.

So you're likening not only the plight of the refugees in Europe now to the plight of the Jews in the 30s, you're also likening Cameron to Hitler? Okay then... it's not like I didn't expect you to take this stance. It's pointless discussing this with you.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Chewy

The slow dehumanisation of refugees is very much like what happened back then, I don't think people are connecting directly to the holocaust itself, but more to the events in the preceeding years. It's sad that people have forgotten the image of the young refugee child, dead on a beach, and now have gone back to thinking of them as less than human.

That's because most people don't realize we've been here before.

Surely this country gave a warm welcome in the past to refugees - such as those escaping the Nazis? Not so. Anne Karpf finds unpleasant parallels, then and now, and discovers how it feels to be the target of such hostility.

There's a doleful little game that staff at the Refugee Council sometimes play. They show visitors press cuttings about refugees and asylum seekers from the 1900s, 1930s and today, and ask them to guess when they were published. Most people get it wrong. They assume that Jewish refugees were welcomed, at least in the 1930s, with a tolerance that has traditionally been seen as a beacon of Britishness. They're shocked to discover that rabid intolerance - among both press and government - has a strong British pedigree.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/j...publicservices

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Chewy

The slow dehumanisation of refugees is very much like what happened back then, I don't think people are connecting directly to the holocaust itself, but more to the events in the preceeding years. It's sad that people have forgotten the image of the young refugee child, dead on a beach, and now have gone back to thinking of them as less than human.

I have read all the posts on this thread on this and can see where most are coming from,I don't think to be fair to Josh he was making a like for like comparison with what happened in Nazi Germany at all and he is being unfairly pulled up as to that.

I think you have expressed very concisely and in really good wording what I can more easily go along with.

I think any State has the right in a just and fair way to expect anyone going into their Nation to fully or in part support themselves when there.
However to take by force possessions of others,lies very uneasily with me.
So I would on balance be against the Danish decision.

They would be quite right to withhold any benefits/assistance from the State if any were coming in really rich but to take possessions,maybe they have had for decades because they are of value, should in my view count as robbery.
Nothing wrong in ascertaining what assets those coming into the Nation have but to forcibly take any possessions from them,no,that seems very extreme to me.

So very well said Chewy and it is sad they are seen as less than Human,it is more than sad, it is disgraceful in fact,in my view.

[Scarlett.]

People arent literally calling modern politicians Hitler. All we are worried about is repeating this same mistakes that Germany did in the past. Normal everyday people in Germany supported what happened in World War II, good people, we have to accept that not all of Germany were not cartoon villians, they were a nation who were manipulated and trained by their government into dehumanising others.

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

People arent literally calling modern politicians Hitler. All we are worried about is repeating this same mistakes that Germany did in the past. Normal everyday people in Germany supported what happened in World War II, good people, we have to accept that not all of Germany were not cartoon villians, they were a nation who were manipulated and trained by their government into dehumanising others.

Youtube video

Totally, you can argue with the left and you can argue with me, but you can't argue with Stephen Fry!

[Kizzy]

I don't doubt that for a second, then as now there were those fighting for humanitarianism and those against.
I would say it was however a British trait too to want to help, who can be as vocal as the 'I'm alright Jack' nay sayers.