[JoshBB]

I usually look to the nordic countries as perfect examples of the direction the UK should go in, but this seems incredibly cruel to me.. this is similar (but not the same obviously) to the way Nazis took valuables from Jewish people from WW2. It makes me really sad to see stories like this.

I can understand there are limits to how many refugees that can be taken in, countries like Sweden & Germany have taken in too many than can possibly looked after, and I blame countries like our own for that - with a population of ~65 million we really could do more than just 4,000, but to take valuables from refugees just seems utterly demoralising and heartless. I don't know how they can justify it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-from-refugees

[Tom4784]

So it's state approved robbery aimed some at the most vulnerable people that are in need of aid.

Insane.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I usually look to the nordic countries as perfect examples of the direction the UK should go in, but this seems incredibly cruel to me.. this is similar (but not the same obviously) to the way Nazis took valuables from Jewish people from WW2. It makes me really sad to see stories like this.

I can understand there are limits to how many refugees that can be taken in, countries like Sweden & Germany have taken in too many than can possibly looked after, and I blame countries like our own for that - with a population of ~65 million we really could do more than just 4,000, but to take valuables from refugees just seems utterly demoralising and heartless. I don't know how they can justify it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-from-refugees

"this is similar (but not the same obviously) to the way Nazis took valuables from Jewish people from WW2. "

no, it really isnt

[Crimson Dynamo]

The bill states that asylum seekers who arrive with more than 10,000 kroner (€1,340) in cash “will have to [use]the surplus above 10,000 kroner to pay for their stay”


I think they should be allowed to keep it and buy a kindle, some wine and a hoverboard

[DemolitionRed]

Danish parliament approves plan to seize assets from refugees
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-from-refugees

Court cases are still going on to return assets to the Jews that were taken by Nazi Germany prior to WW2. I wonder if we will see similar court cases from the Syrians 50 years from now.

[jennyjuniper]

I live in Denmark and while I have the utmost contempt for Lars Løkke Rasmussen (a nest featherer if ever there was one) I can't but agree that if possible refugees should contribute to their stay here. It's true that Danes cannot claim social benefits if they own their own house or have more than 16,000 kroner (about 1,500pounds.)
So why should people who come here be any different.
Of course if they have no intention of claiming benefits, then those rules shouldn't apply.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I live in Denmark and while I have the utmost contempt for Lars Løkke Rasmussen (a nest featherer if ever there was one) I can't but agree that if possible refugees should contribute to their stay here. It's true that Danes cannot claim social benefits if they own their own house or have more than 16,000 kroner (about 1,500pounds.)
So why should people who come here be any different.
Of course if they have no intention of claiming benefits, then those rules shouldn't apply.

On that basis, then fair enough.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So it's state approved robbery aimed some at the most vulnerable people that are in need of aid.

Insane.

No its being done to stop the large amounts
arriving in a Very Small Nation , Dezzy

[arista]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I live in Denmark and while I have the utmost contempt for Lars Løkke Rasmussen (a nest featherer if ever there was one) I can't but agree that if possible refugees should contribute to their stay here. It's true that Danes cannot claim social benefits if they own their own house or have more than 16,000 kroner (about 1,500pounds.)
So why should people who come here be any different.
Of course if they have no intention of claiming benefits, then those rules shouldn't apply.

Yes Our Left Wing Media
are Sheet Stirring it all

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I usually look to the nordic countries as perfect examples of the direction the UK should go in, but this seems incredibly cruel to me.. this is similar (but not the same obviously) to the way Nazis took valuables from Jewish people from WW2. It makes me really sad to see stories like this.

I can understand there are limits to how many refugees that can be taken in, countries like Sweden & Germany have taken in too many than can possibly looked after, and I blame countries like our own for that - with a population of ~65 million we really could do more than just 4,000, but to take valuables from refugees just seems utterly demoralising and heartless. I don't know how they can justify it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-from-refugees

No
as the Nazi then Murdered them.


Denmark is a small nation
do you do geography , at all?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

No
as the Nazi then Murdered them.


Denmark is a small nation
do you do geography , at all?

"(but not the same obviously)"

I know it's a small nation, but I don't think this is an excusable way to 'deter' refugees.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

"(but not the same obviously)"

I know it's a small nation, but I don't think this is an excusable way to 'deter' refugees.

Its a democratic choice, who are you to call out democracy?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a democratic choice, who are you to call out democracy?

???

I'm voicing my opinion on what I perceive to be a disgusting policy made, and doing so only strengthens democracy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

???

I'm voicing my opinion on what I perceive to be a disgusting policy made, and doing so only strengthens democracy.

Jenny has explained it to you from Denmark?

What bit dont you get

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jenny has explained it to you from Denmark?

What bit dont you get

Jenny is entitled to have her opinion on Denmark's refugee policy, as am I. She would know more about the extent of migration in Denmark than I would, however I can still voice my personal disgust with the seizing of assets. We live in a globalist world.

Democracy is about listening to different people's views on a subject, not shutting down anything which does not fit the mainstream narrative.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

"(but not the same obviously)"

I know it's a small nation, but I don't think this is an excusable way to 'deter' refugees.

Evil Nazi Dug Out Gold from Jews Teeth

Denmark Action
is nothing like what you posted
1st post.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Evil Nazi Dug Out Gold from Jews Teeth

Denmark Action
is nothing like what you posted
1st post.

Josh always compares things like this (wrongly) to actions of the Nazis

he has form

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Josh always compares things like this (wrongly) to actions of the Nazis

he has form

To be fair he's not the first to make the comparison...

'Earlier this month, government spokesman Marcus Knuth told the Guardian it was “ludicrous” to compare the new law to the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust, since similar laws apply to Danish citizens on welfare benefits. “We’re simply applying the same rules we apply to Danish citizens who wish to take money from the Danish government,” Knuth said.

But opponents of the law argue that while refugees can in general still expect to be treated humanely in Denmark, the new legislation is ethically unsound. Pernille Skipper, an MP and legal affairs spokesperson for Enhedslisten, a leftwing Danish party, said: “Morally it is a horrible way to treat people fleeing mass crimes, war, rapes. They are fleeing from war and how do we treat them? We take their jewellery.”

Klaus Petersen, professor at the Centre for Welfare State Research at the University of Southern Denmark, confirmed that Danish welfare claimants have to give up their savings before they receive benefits – but not their valuables, unlike refugees. They will also not be searched except in rare circumstances.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-from-refugees

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To be fair he's not the first to make the comparison...

'Earlier this month, government spokesman Marcus Knuth told the Guardian it was “ludicrous” to compare the new law to the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust, since similar laws apply to Danish citizens on welfare benefits. “We’re simply applying the same rules we apply to Danish citizens who wish to take money from the Danish government,” Knuth said.

But opponents of the law argue that while refugees can in general still expect to be treated humanely in Denmark, the new legislation is ethically unsound. Pernille Skipper, an MP and legal affairs spokesperson for Enhedslisten, a leftwing Danish party, said: “Morally it is a horrible way to treat people fleeing mass crimes, war, rapes. They are fleeing from war and how do we treat them? We take their jewellery.”

Klaus Petersen, professor at the Centre for Welfare State Research at the University of Southern Denmark, confirmed that Danish welfare claimants have to give up their savings before they receive benefits – but not their valuables, unlike refugees. They will also not be searched except in rare circumstances.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-from-refugees

Somehow I am not sure that people fleeing war and rape in Syria etc find themselves in Denmark....

[Northern Monkey]

Hence why they all want to get through as many safe countries as possible and make a break through the Channel Tunnel.Because we're soft as ****.If they can get here they'll get benefits and housing galore.

[Johnnyuk123]

I support the Danes 100% on this issue.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Somehow I am not sure that people fleeing war and rape in Syria etc find themselves in Denmark....

You are wasting your time LT.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Somehow I am not sure that people fleeing war and rape in Syria etc find themselves in Denmark....

Because Denmark welcome refugees obv...

The UN Refugee Convention was approved in 1951. Denmark was the first state to ratify the treaty. Today 144 countries have signed the convention.
According to the Refugee Convention the definition of a refugee is:
” A person who owing to a well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.”
In the Danish Aliens Act §7 (1) refers to this definition and thereby gives status as a convention refugee (K-status).
The refugee convention includes the ”non-refoulement” principle that concludes that no person should be sent back to persecution or to a third country that will send the person back to persecution.
Denmark has also signed several conventions that ban torture, the death penalty and other kinds of inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment. This protection status (B-status) can be found in the Danish Aliens Act §7 (2).
Refugees can also be covered by a number of other conventions, which Denmark has signed, amongst others the European Convention on Human Rights, United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, United Nations two conventions on statelessness, United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.'

http://refugeeswelcome.dk/en/facts/

[Vicky.]

I don't know what to think of this...if they have like 50k worthy of jewelry or something then it could be seen as acceptable to expect them to sell to fund some of their life in the safe country they chose. But how likely is it that this will be the case? I cannot see refugees having anything much...given they have just upped and left their own homes?

Ugh. I just don't know. I can see why if there are a few examples such as above (which I doubt) but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth taking more away from those who have little or nothing to start with :S

[Vicky.]

Following similar moves in Switzerland and southern Germany, Denmark’s parliament voted on Tuesday to allow police to search asylum seekers on arrival in the country and confiscate any non-essential items worth more than 10,000 Danish kroner (about £1,000) that have no sentimental value to their owner.

And there is the workaround for it surely? Noone else can prove an item has no sentimental value to you.