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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually with respect,I do have a conscience that has been formed very strongly from what I have gone out and found what was wrong and how people were suffering under this govt.

I am sad to see you being as selective as some and near condoning the terms of inbred morons and anarchist mobs.

My Cousin for one is not an anarchist or an inbred moron either, those are terms being used on here to describe people on the left as well as other unnecessary and inappropriate.
I don't know about anarchist mobs but the one ting I do know is IDS needs some extreme reaction when he dares show himself for the truly rotten way he is making people suffer who should be protected.
You may possibly admire his policy as to that but I certainly don't.

Wherever they got the energy from to vote this rotten policy down in the Lords, (you yourself mention and appear to endorse the term anarchist mob too in your post as the protesters),at least the Lords appear to have listened to someone or some groupings.
Which is a lot more than this rotten heartless Work and Pensions secretary will ever do for sure.

Just sometimes,people fed up with things have to raise their voices to get heard and should 'not',when people don't know them, be branded inbred morons or anarchists.
Had I been there I'd have joined any attempt to disrupt IDS day,he is ruining and disrupting the most vulnerable's days, every day of the week and not just the vulnerable but their families and people who look out for,help and care for them too.

WHY do you keep persisting in bringing up your cousin Joey?

I am no longer going to allow myself to be dragged into personal argument with anyone on these forums, but neither will I continue to allow misrepresentation to lie on here unchallenged for posterity.

HERE is what I wrote to you after you notified me that your cousin was one of the 'protesters' involved in the incident with IDS:

"First of all; I apologise for my terminology if your cousin was one of those taking part in this, but I hope that he was not one of the principals seen and heard in the video because:

This was NOT some 'peaceful protest' and the sheep-like bleating of 'Murderer' and the other cries WERE moronic.

These 'protesters' WERE right up against the car NOT '100 feet away'.

These 'protesters WERE intent in unlawfully preventing the car from leaving.

These 'protesters' WERE being threatening.

These 'protesters' were becoming increasing more volatile and if it were not for the police presence, this situation COULD and probably WOULD have escalated into some form of violence.

And NO - these 'protesters' would NOT have been 'hailed' by me had they been acting in the same undemocratic, intimidating manner against some 'Labour' politician.

And NO, Kizzy views have NOT made really good points all the way through - they have been countered and exposed and done more 'U turns' than Jeremy Corbyn.

This is supposed to be Serious Debates, but it is neither 'Serious' - when mere Left wing propaganda is not only trotted out without substantiation, but continues to be trotted out in the face of factual response to the contrary - nor is it 'Debate', when NOTHING is debated because the truth is ignored whenever that truth does not agree with wild Left Wing claims.

I did not vote Tory. I do not like IDS or agree with his policies, but neither do I agree with 'Mob Rule' or the attempt by ANY group to impose their will by threat and intimidation - against the laws of this country.

IDS has as much rights as anyone else to go about his lawful business without being accosted by ugly mobs - as did Farage when he was out with his family for a quiet lunch when another violent moronic mob invaded his privacy and jumped on his car - and I will reiterate just WHY I vehemently oppose these types of 'protests':

"We have a democratic process for expressing discontent with a political party, but more than that, we have a time-honoured tradition outside of that process for peaceful protest including heckling and jeering, and this being the GREAT DEMOCRACY it is, such peaceful protesters can exercise that tradition safe from being murdered or brutalised by the state - as in other countries.

These mobs are NOT peaceful protesters though - are they?"

Not everything bad in this country is the fault of the Tories, and the Labour Party and Left Wing are not some blameless paragons of virtue, but the ballot box and PEACEFUL orderly protest are the ways forward for anyone who disagrees with Government policy - NOT trying to impose their way by threat and intimidation."

And HERE is the actual video of the incident:

Youtube video

As can CLEARLY be HEARD; 8 seconds into the video - despite the male inbreed's incessant strangled cries of 'Murderer' - a female 'protester' screams more than once; "We don't want them getting out", and as can CLEARLY be SEEN, these 'peaceful' protesters' were AT THE CAR WINDOWS and surrounding the car.

Why is it deemed OK for you to be so passionate against Cameron, IDS and the Tories, but NOT OK for me to be so passionate against undemocratic anarchic 'protests' which involve threat and intimidation?

As for your cousin, does his presence in this 'protest' preclude it from being anarchic, undemocratic, intimidatory or threatening?

No one is saying that HE was DIRECTLY complicit in surrounding the car or baying that he "did not want the car to leave", and perhaps this DID start out as a legitimate protest but just as a lot of other intended 'peaceful' demonstrations and protests are 'hijacked' by anarchists and professional agitators resulting in lawlessness, threat and intimidation, this was certainly NOT simply a vociferous protest.

Some on here saw nothing wrong with those cretins who jumped all over Farage's car and terrified his family. Some saw nothing wrong with those cretins who defaced the War Memorial, so the problem seems to be one of perception and definition - as most 'arguments' are on here - your view and mine of what constitutes a 'peaceful' and 'legitimate' protest vastly differ.

I am afraid, it is one which we will never resolve, so I suggest we leave it here Joey.