[Niamh.]

Also,

Spoiler:

I think Teresas brother really really believed that Steve did it so that would add weight to him having found the car and not seeming too bothered about the Police planting evidence cos he believed that they had a good reason to do it

[Z]

I think Teresa's brother's fixation on Avery/Dassey being responsible is natural in that if that's what the prosecution are telling them, of course they're going to want to believe them, because they want justice for Teresa and they want to believe justice was being done... but, and bearing in mind the show is obviously biased in Steve Avery's favour, the gaping holes in evidence presented in the trial would have surely been enough to sway you into not being totally sure even if you were hell bent on believing Avery did it? I get that perhaps the need to believe it was Avery was always going to trump any evidence to the contrary in his mind, but it was bordering on obsessive in some of the interview clips of him speaking to the media - I mean saying that Brendan Dassey was blatantly lying on the stand and all this stuff... anyone with eyes could see that that boy hasn't a clue what's going on and is seriously mentally handicapped, I don't think he'd be capable of setting up a cleverly constructed web of lies, Jesus Christ...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Z

I think Teresa's brother's fixation on Avery/Dassey being responsible is natural in that if that's what the prosecution are telling them, of course they're going to want to believe them, because they want justice for Teresa and they want to believe justice was being done... but, and bearing in mind the show is obviously biased in Steve Avery's favour, the gaping holes in evidence presented in the trial would have surely been enough to sway you into not being totally sure even if you were hell bent on believing Avery did it? I get that perhaps the need to believe it was Avery was always going to trump any evidence to the contrary in his mind, but it was bordering on obsessive in some of the interview clips of him speaking to the media - I mean saying that Brendan Dassey was blatantly lying on the stand and all this stuff... anyone with eyes could see that that boy hasn't a clue what's going on and is seriously mentally handicapped, I don't think he'd be capable of setting up a cleverly constructed web of lies, Jesus Christ...

Yea, her brother and the family of teresa definitely reminded me of the Kertchers in the Amanda Knox case, they seem to just want a resolution, and they aren't really that interested in getting to the truth.

It shows that the family of the victim really shouldn't be taken into consideration at all in these types of cases. their opinions really mean nothing. They are too emotional to think clearly and analyze things rationally.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Z

I think Teresa's brother's fixation on Avery/Dassey being responsible is natural in that if that's what the prosecution are telling them, of course they're going to want to believe them, because they want justice for Teresa and they want to believe justice was being done... but, and bearing in mind the show is obviously biased in Steve Avery's favour, the gaping holes in evidence presented in the trial would have surely been enough to sway you into not being totally sure even if you were hell bent on believing Avery did it? I get that perhaps the need to believe it was Avery was always going to trump any evidence to the contrary in his mind, but it was bordering on obsessive in some of the interview clips of him speaking to the media - I mean saying that Brendan Dassey was blatantly lying on the stand and all this stuff... anyone with eyes could see that that boy hasn't a clue what's going on and is seriously mentally handicapped, I don't think he'd be capable of setting up a cleverly constructed web of lies, Jesus Christ...

It would make more sense if that theory is true about him and Teresas ex b/f finding the car a few days earlier, they would then be aware that the Police planted some evidence but would think there was a reason for it

[Josy]

I want to know what the scratches and bruises were on the ex bfs hand on the day of the search and,why on earth he was never a suspect, in fact there was never any suspects at all apart from avery which is ridiculous because it's common knowledge that a lot of murders are committed by someone close to the victim

Some woman from the same area called the police and reported suspicious behaviour from her husband apparently he commented about one of the missing person posters of Theresa 'shes dead' she found ripped up females clothes hidden on their property including underwear that weren't hers, her dog also had a bone that she thought could have been humans and so on yet the police never followed any.of it up telling her 'dont worry abour it we have the guy'

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I want to know what the scratches and bruises were on the ex bfs hand on the day of the search and,why on earth he was never a suspect, in fact there was never any suspects at all apart from avery which is ridiculous because it's common knowledge that a lot of murders are committed by someone close to the victim

Some woman from the same area called the police and reported suspicious behaviour from her husband apparently he commented about one of the missing person posters of Theresa 'shes dead' she found ripped up females clothes hidden on their property including underwear that weren't hers, her dog also had a bone that she thought could have been humans and so on yet the police never followed any.of it up telling her 'dont worry abour it we have the guy'

That sounds scarily similar to the Rape case and how the Police responded to the other Police station who had gotten a confession from Gregory Allen :/

[Josy]

I know :/

[user104658]

Yeah, I fully believe that the police involved in the blatant shenanigans do truly believe that Avery is the killer, and that by making sure he went away that they were doing the right thing by breaking rules to make sure it happened.

They're not evil or trying consciously to put an innocent man away or let a real killer remain free... They're just none too bright, and got sucked into a ridiculous situation because someone else (the killer) got the ball rolling by planting some evidence on an easy target.

Its definitely how I would try to get away with murder . Find a creepy guy with a questionable past, someone that people will WANT to believe is guilty, and make sure the spotlight falls on him.

Not that I do much killing... .... ...

[user104658]

OR what if someone in the sheriffs department just really loves cats?

WHAT IF IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CAT??

[Niamh.]

What are your thoughts on that theory about the serial killer Edward Wayne Edwards having done it? Apparently he did alot of his murders on Halloween which was when Teresa was murdered, he framed other people alot of times and he lived only an hour or so away oh and plus I think he was spotted one time at Steve Averys trial

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OR what if someone in the sheriffs department just really loves cats?

WHAT IF IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CAT??

[Z]

I do think it's a fascinating and well made documentary and I like that its purpose was just to show how flawed the justice system can be, rather than trying to prove Steve's innocence as such - I hope they properly reopen the case and get people who don't have an agenda in to examine the evidence because it's clear that some serious ****ery was going on there to make sure he went away and that that lawsuit never materialised...

[Josy]

That theory has been debunked Nimah, I read that on the avery families fb this morning

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

That theory has been debunked Nimah, I read that on the avery families fb this morning

Oh has it? So hard to follow things like this online and knew what is and isn't true

[Josy]

For anyone that likes to read...

Links to the online transcripts of the court cases etc..

Dassey transcripts and interrogations

http://stevenaveryproject.com/dassey-files/

Avery transcripts and interrogations

http://stevenaveryproject.com/avery-...l-transcripts/

Under the Avery Transcripts it has 50 or so official crime scene photos.

I've read the Dassey files, and listened to some of the interrogations, haven't even attempted the avery court case files yet, theres lots :/

[Niamh.]

Oh I'm going to give those a look Josy, thanks.

Whatever happened though, even if Steven did do it, I definitely don't believe that it happened in his Trailer or in the Garage where the bullet was found. There's no way he could have left either of those places without a hair/finger print/blood splatter etc if he'd killed and possibly raped her there, no way in the world.

[Ammi]

..I will get around to all of the links at some point, thanks Josy/Niamh.....I've just watched the first court appearance of Scott Tadychs and yeah, his and Bobby's times are both off with each other and the bus driver's I would assume is correct, which would mean as Bobby was so sure of his time of leaving, he couldn't have even seen Teresa take the pics and apparently then walk toward Avery's van....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I'm going to give those a look Josy, thanks.

Whatever happened though, even if Steven did do it, I definitely don't believe that it happened in his Trailer or in the Garage where the bullet was found. There's no way he could have left either of those places without a hair/finger print/blood splatter etc if he'd killed and possibly raped her there, no way in the world.

..yeah that's it as well, that even up to now, no one had found blood evidence anywhere of her being killed...

[Niamh.]

I started reading the Brendan Interviews and I can't help imitating his voice in my head as i read them

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I started reading the Brendan Interviews and I can't help imitating his voice in my head as i read them

..OMG, I often have voices in my head when I'm reading things..(not dodgy voices..)...but different 'head' voices for different people ..I think it's because I read out loud so often and always have the voices and expressions of story characters/so it's a habit thing...

[Ammi]

..I think in the end with the closing statements, the prosecuting attorney started to make me doubt his innocence and that all of the police planting of evidence was because they didn't want him to go free and had to get the guilty verdict, whatever it took...it's hard to understand why no one else was investigated from either Steven's family or Teresa's...


..also sad to see how much his parents aged through it all, especially his dad whose breathing didn't sound good at all in times when he was speaking...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..OMG, I often have voices in my head when I'm reading things..(not dodgy voices..)...but different 'head' voices for different people ..I think it's because I read out loud so often and always have the voices and expressions of story characters/so it's a habit thing...

Is your head voice for me sexy and manly, Ammi? A lustrous Scottish treat for the mind-ears? You know it...

[Cal.]

If I'm extremely honest the interview between Teresa's brother and boyfriend was extremely shifty imo.

[Cal.]

I'm sort of interested but at the same time I don't like Steven Avery.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I'm sort of interested but at the same time I don't like Steven Avery.

I don't think avery is a likable character but then, that's sort of the point... He wouldn't be in this situation if he was. It's easy to pin something bad on someone unlikeable.

I can't force myself to care about the fate of Avery himself. However, I am interested in the way the justice system works in America and the way it's all been handled is fascinating. At times the prosecution straight up lies to the jury and it goes mostly unchecked.

Example: stating that they have "scientifically proven" that the blood wasn't planted, when an expert has already explained that this is impossible to prove. The test they used can be used to prove that it WAS planted, by presence of a certain chemical substance. The absence of that substance does NOT mean that it wasn't planted. It's a straight up lie, a misrepresentation of the evidence. How are things like that being allowed?