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user104658 · 09-02-2016, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I believe religions are institutions of power and greed.

This, in a nutshell.

I don't pretend to understand the mysteries of the universe and I don't completely reject the idea of some sort of intelligent creative force.

I do completely reject the idea of God (capital G), Allah, Jesus, Zeus, Vishnu, etc.

Organised religion is a power scam that feeds on people's insecurities and fears. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything written in a "holy book" of any description is deliberate bull**** or, at the ABSOLUTE best, human guesswork.

The arrogance and blinkeredness necessary to follow any organised religion is mind-boggling to me. You not only have to insist that YOUR super-special religion is the right one denouncing all others (there are hundreds, probs thousands of minor ones) but you also have to shut yourself off to an entire Universe of infinite unknown possibility. WHY anyone would want to do that is beyond me.

Marsh. · 09-02-2016, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The arrogance and blinkeredness necessary to follow any organised religion is mind-boggling to me. You not only have to insist that YOUR super-special religion is the right one denouncing all others (there are hundreds, probs thousands of minor ones)

Not really.
I'd say the majority of religious people are anything but arrogant and a hell of a lot of them respect other religions and just find it simply different people/cultures interpreting and worshipping the same force/being.

Much like how we're all humans who communicate with each other. In a multitude of different kinds of spoken/written/acted languages but still all essentially the same.

Dollface · 09-02-2016, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really.
I'd say the majority of religious people are anything but arrogant and a hell of a lot of them respect other religions and just find it simply different people/cultures interpreting and worshipping the same force/being.

Much like how we're all humans who communicate with each other. In a multitude of different kinds of spoken/written/acted languages but still all essentially the same.

user104658 · 09-02-2016, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really.
I'd say the majority of religious people are anything but arrogant and a hell of a lot of them respect other religions and just find it simply different people/cultures interpreting and worshipping the same force/being.

Much like how we're all humans who communicate with each other. In a multitude of different kinds of spoken/written/acted languages but still all essentially the same.

What you're saying is that religious people accept that there is an unknown / unknowable "greater force" in a very general sense and that the rest of each holy book is simply made-up human fluff.

Made up by people.

Feeding on people's inherent spirituality, as a method of power and control.

Either that or they think that all of the others are worhipping the same force but "in the wrong way, and theirs is actually the correct way". Otherwise, why subscribe to one?

If people really do accept that all are worhipping the same being, why not simply accept that it isn't one dumbed-down, defined deity described by any organised religion? But, as I said, some unknown, unknowable creative force in a universe of infinite possibility.

Ithinkiloveyoutoo · 09-02-2016, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This, in a nutshell.

I don't pretend to understand the mysteries of the universe and I don't completely reject the idea of some sort of intelligent creative force.

I do completely reject the idea of God (capital G), Allah, Jesus, Zeus, Vishnu, etc.

Organised religion is a power scam that feeds on people's insecurities and fears. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything written in a "holy book" of any description is deliberate bull**** or, at the ABSOLUTE best, human guesswork.

The arrogance and blinkeredness necessary to follow any organised religion is mind-boggling to me. You not only have to insist that YOUR super-special religion is the right one denouncing all others (there are hundreds, probs thousands of minor ones) but you also have to shut yourself off to an entire Universe of infinite unknown possibility. WHY anyone would want to do that is beyond me.

Nah true arrogance is the people that believe that someone's decision to live in faith has anything to do with them rather than the person choosing to go on a journey for themselves. Yes Christians have their opinions but so does everyone else. You either agree or you don't.

Shut ourselves off to an universe of infinite unknown possibilities like what? Aliens? Creating robots that have their own minds? What possibilities are you referring to?

user104658 · 09-02-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Shut ourselves off to an universe of infinite unknown possibilities like what? Aliens? Creating robots that have their own minds? What possibilities are you referring to?

This is a pretty good illustration of why people are religious, I think.