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17-02-2016, 08:57 AM | #26 | |||
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..I think that humans in general 'gripe' anyway, I mean I think it's in human nature to do so but specifically with taxes..?...it's because they're one of those things that we have no control over, not paying them..I mean how those taxes are spent/those decisions and the 'gripes' are not that they're in any way begrudged but more the NHS issues atm and rising taxes if people saw them V a declining health system/declining school systems etc..?..but focus on spending with something an individual taxpayer wouldn't believe in or agree with...cancer research/cancer treatment funding, I can't see many people ever not agreeing with as a 'personal investment'... |
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17-02-2016, 08:58 AM | #27 | |||
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17-02-2016, 08:59 AM | #28 | |||
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Totally agree
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17-02-2016, 08:59 AM | #29 | |||
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...yeah because that would also be people who had paid taxes/contributed to a system their whole working lives, then being 'scrapped off', when they needed that system themselves...
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17-02-2016, 09:03 AM | #30 | |||
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17-02-2016, 09:06 AM | #31 | |||
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17-02-2016, 09:12 AM | #32 | ||
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I genuinely don't mean to be a negative nancy. *I* think we should help people to live long lives and to enjoy their retirement. *I* think more family units and communities should be close enough to all work together and provide good, full lives for everyone. But the reality is, a lot of families aren't that. MOST communities aren't that. Most of capitalist society is selfish and does not want to support those who are not able to support themselves... how can that really be disputed? Where is this fantasy world where actually everyone wants to help and is happy to give more of "what's theirs" to make that happen? A lot of elderly people are already lonely, and poor, and struggling to exist. I'm saying, look at the social and economic problems that have already been identified in relation to an aging population, and then multiply those by ten. It's not a problem with curing disease, it's a problem with society, but it's a very real one and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't change it. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 17-02-2016 at 09:14 AM. |
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17-02-2016, 09:12 AM | #33 | |||
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17-02-2016, 09:14 AM | #34 | |||
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Yeah, it really surprised me too Niamh. I suppose the research companies/pharmaceuticals won't make as much money from researching children's cancer as only a small percentage of cancer diagnosis' are children?
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17-02-2016, 09:16 AM | #35 | |||
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Maybe, that's the greedy world we live in I guess and I suppose where TS's points are coming from
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17-02-2016, 09:17 AM | #36 | |||
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..I'm not pretending that anything doesn't exist but 'Work to live, live to work, die? What is the point?', "birth-school-work-die" has always been there and always will..a 'what is the meaning of life..'/type thing...it's for us to find our own meanings... |
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17-02-2016, 09:23 AM | #37 | ||
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Yes but currently, at least people do seem to get a LITTLE time to slowly wind down in their twilight years and reflect on their lives. You know, to actually have the time to find those meanings, towards the end. That seems to be rapidly evaporating - my own "official" retirement age is already 70 and I have some serious doubts that it'll stay there. The pot is running dry, fast, already, I guess is what I'm saying. For myself personally I'm hoping that I have time to "feather my own nest" a bit and retire early, that's the long term plan at least, but the reality for most people is that the further we head into "aging population" territory, the more likely it is that you'll simply have to work until you drop.
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17-02-2016, 09:33 AM | #38 | |||
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17-02-2016, 03:47 PM | #39 | ||
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