[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The vid in the op is a BBC documentary with hidden camera footage.No fiction involved.

So let me just clarify. This is being made out that it is a court that allows muslims to break the uk law and follow their own laws instead. That is simply untrue and completely misleading.

As I said above, Sharia law has to fall within the remits of UK law. That being the case, while we may not like what they are doing, ANYONE, whatever their religion, is free to do the same thing within the UK.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So let me just clarify. This is being made out that it is a court that allows muslims to break the uk law and follow their own laws instead. That is simply untrue and completely misleading.

As I said above, Sharia law has to fall within the remits of UK law. That being the case, while we may not like what they are doing, ANYONE, whatever their religion, is free to do the same thing within the UK.

A direct quote from the documentary by a barrister specialising in family law who has been to many hearings at Sharia councils "They're totally unregulated,unauthorised,there's no accountability and many of them are not operating in accordance with UK law"

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

A direct quote from the documentary by a barrister specialising in family law who has been to many hearings at Sharia councils "They're totally unregulated,unauthorised,there's no accountability and many of them are not operating in accordance with UK law"

In order to have the law come into effect, in these type of things, the aggrieved person has to seek recourse. If that person chooses to accept it, there is generally very little that can be done.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In order to have the law come into effect, in these type of things, the aggrieved person has to seek recourse. If that person chooses to accept it, there is generally very little that can be done.

At least it's something of which the victim has control over, and it appears to be taken seriously. Unlike the reference to abuses within the church that seems to be joked about like some accepted social norm now :/

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

At least it's something of which the victim has control over, and it appears to be taken seriously. Unlike the reference to abuses within the church that seems to be joked about like some accepted social norm now :/

It's not a good situation for abused women at all Kizzy. It's hard enough for non-muslim to leave abusive relationships, these sharia courts make it exponentially harder for muslim women.

These unrecognized courts have far too much power within the muslim community.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's not a good situation for abused women at all Kizzy. It's hard enough for non-muslim to leave abusive relationships, these sharia courts make it exponentially harder for muslim women.

These unrecognized courts have far too much power within the muslim community.

It has to be agreed upon to hear the case in a sharia court, if the woman disagrees then that's the end, it's having the strength, courage and support to refuse.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It has to be agreed upon to hear the case in a sharia court, if the woman disagrees then that's the end, it's having the strength, courage and support to refuse.

and if she doesn't agree she is totally ostracized and thrown onto the street, or even worse threatened with death and rape. They are truly scared. Have some understanding of what these women are experiencing Kizzy!

Think about what you are saying.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

At least it's something of which the victim has control over, and it appears to be taken seriously. Unlike the reference to abuses within the church that seems to be joked about like some accepted social norm now :/

I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

Kirk, if you believe you have been illegally treated, you go to the police and initiate a complaint. The police don't come to you and ask if anything illegal has happened to you today. That's the way the system works

I will also repeat again, that activities are not illegal if they fall within the law and all parties agree on the action.

A court can give sole custody and exclude a partner from visiting rights to a child, but if the 2 parents come to an agreement outside court to allow access, that stands. That's how life works.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Kirk, if you believe you have been illegally treated, you go to the police and initiate a complaint. The police don't come to you and ask if anything illegal has happened to you today. That's the way the system works

I will also repeat again, that activities are not illegal if they fall within the law and all parties agree on the action.

A court can give sole custody and exclude a partner from visiting rights to a child, but if the 2 parents come to an agreement outside court to allow access, that stands. That's how life works.

But BOTS - you are presuming that Sharia Law Courts ABIDE by British Law, which in a lot of cases THEY DO NOT, and you are overlooking the very real fact that abused Muslim wives (or any abused wives for that matter) are not too terrified to notify anyone about their dilemna.

Are you REALLY maintaining that Islamic sensibilities concerning matrimonial matters are the same as our Western ones?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

I had to point out the hypocrisy of railing at abuse in one institution while making jokes about in another.
As I said there needs to be support within communities.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I had to point out the hypocrisy of railing at abuse in one institution while making jokes about in another.
As I said there needs to be support within communities.

There is NO hypocrisy in my posts or in me. I suggest that it is YOUR posts which do not bear scrutiny when it comes to balance, logic, and consistency.

Amnd if you think that a JOKE about a time-honoured subject such as cassock lifting clergy is on a par with some subhuman bastard raping a THREE year old, then I feel sorry for you.