[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

How long do colonial and former colonial Western Countries have to take the blame for? Is there an end date like there was with other colonial countries? like Turkey, the Ottoman empire seems to have been forgiven for their centuries of atrocities. What about Romans, don't they take any blame? or China or Egypt?

but they are the ones in the control atm not egypt or ottoman empire

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MelihV

but they are the ones in the control atm not egypt or ottoman empire

OK but that answer doesn't fit with the question I asked.

I asked how long do we (The West) have to keep taking the blame? and Is there an end date when we (The West) stop taking the blame?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by wannashag

How long do colonial and former colonial Western Countries have to take the blame for? Is there an end date like there was with other colonial countries? like Turkey, the Ottoman empire seems to have been forgiven for their centuries of atrocities. What about Romans, don't they take any blame? or China or Egypt?

This crisis is still ongoing. There is nothing to forget and its certainly too early to forgive. When a humanitarian crisis is in full swing, as it is now, its important that we understand how that crisis came about because understanding may touch us with a tiny ounce of compassion and whilst we have compassion, we will strive to find solutions.

I don't know what the answer is, all I know is, they are a displaced people, they are my fellow human beings and I hope and wish they find peace and comfort for themselves and their families.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't know what the answer is, all I know is, they are a displaced people, they are my fellow human beings and I hope and wish they find peace and comfort for themselves and their families.

That's very admirable of you, which I'm sure comes from your Western culture.

But I'd hazard a guess that the majority of them don't hope and wish the same for you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by wannashag

That's very admirable of you, which I'm sure comes from your Western culture.

But I'd hazard a guess that the majority of them don't hope and wish the same for you.

Where does your unhealthy wariness of johnny foreigner come from, your island mentality?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where does your unhealthy wariness of johnny foreigner come from, your island mentality?

Could you please stop trolling and derailing the thread please?

There's no need for you to make disgusting insinuations against me, just because I'm not you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Could you please stop trolling and derailing the thread please?

There's no need for you to make disgusting insinuations against me, just because I'm not you.

You made insinuations based on culture and nationality...why can't I?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You made insinuations based on culture and nationality...why can't I?

I believe that the majority of People coming in from The Middle east and Asia have very little if anything culturally in common with The West, and I believe that they have no intention of embracing our culture and values but rather striving to impose their own on us all.


I have no problem with the people, I have a problem with their culture and values.

That's my opinion on an issue.

You personally insinuated that I have some kind of phobia to foreigners, I think you did that because you wanted to make yourself look better than me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by wannashag

I believe that the majority of People coming in from The Middle east and Asia have very little if anything culturally in common with The West, and I believe that they have no intention of embracing our culture and values but rather striving to impose their own on us all.


I have no problem with the people, I have a problem with their culture and values.

That's my opinion on an issue.

You personally insinuated that I have some kind of phobia to foreigners, I think you did that because you wanted to make yourself look better than me.

That's an insinuation right there, I drew a comparison is all I don't want to look better than anyone.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by wannashag

I believe that the majority of People coming in from The Middle east and Asia have very little if anything culturally in common with The West, and I believe that they have no intention of embracing our culture and values but rather striving to impose their own on us all.


I have no problem with the people, I have a problem with their culture and values.

That's my opinion on an issue.

You personally insinuated that I have some kind of phobia to foreigners, I think you did that because you wanted to make yourself look better than me.

Well your new avatar probably gives the wrong impression? I mean, Alf Garnett has to be one of the most bigoted, anti Irish, racist, misogynistic and anti-Semitic man who was ever let loose on our television screens.

[Z]

I think Macedonia should be commended to be honest, they've been left to fend for themselves and aren't part of the European family of nations, they could easily have just done nothing and let these people head north-west.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Well your new avatar probably gives the wrong impression? I mean, Alf Garnett has to be one of the most bigoted, anti Irish, racist, misogynistic and anti-Semitic man who was ever let loose on our television screens.

Bleeding Nora! Were clutching at straws now aren't we?

He was also a very funny and loved character.

If you want me to be your bigoted, xenophobic, racist subject then I don't mind if it pleases you, I aim to please, if you need that to prove how much of a better person than me you are then I'll be your subject, after all if your're the one calling me the bigot then that excuses you from being one doesn't it.

So you can please yourself by looking down on me from up there.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Bleeding Nora! Were clutching at straws now aren't we?

He was also a very funny and loved character.

If you want me to be your bigoted, xenophobic, racist subject then I don't mind if it pleases you, I aim to please, if you need that to prove how much of a better person than me you are then I'll be your subject, after all if your're the one calling me the bigot then that excuses you from being one doesn't it.

So you can please yourself by looking down on me from up there.

[arista]

Macedonia Minister was live on Ch4HD News, last night,
he said they still want to join the EU,
to become a full member,
but he has tried to send 600 or so Afghans
onto the next nation
who then sent them back?

Only Syrians are let through.


Its a Mess

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You made insinuations based on culture and nationality...why can't I?

Because Alf's were generic and NOT specifically and personally directed at any member on here - unlike your insulting comments which were specifically and personally directed at him?

You asked, so I am merely proposing an answer.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Because Alf's were generic and NOT specifically and personally directed at any member on here - unlike your insulting comments which were specifically and personally directed at him?

You asked, so I am merely proposing an answer.

As you can clearly see they were directed at DR. Hope that clarifies things to your satisfaction.

[Northern Monkey]

Greece is going to get seriously pissed off if the EU don't pull their fingers out and sort it out.Schengen will colapse.Greece will leave the EU and start sending people back.Merkel has a huge amount of blame to take with her open door policy.She has fecked Greece right up.