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Old 12-03-2016, 10:45 AM #1
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But their 'merchandise' has a hell of a lot to do with damaging the US economy.

America is in the grip of a devastating drug problem and collosal sums of money are being spent on Police, Security, Judicial, Prison, and Medical Services, by way of:

'Policing' the border.
Detecting the hundreds of thousands of criminals who work in the drug trade within America once those drugs are successfully smuggled by the Mexicans over or under the border.
Dealing with the thousands of violent crimes and murders which are 'Drug Related'
Maintaining the Penal Institutions where the above are sent when caught - which is the minority, as most are not caught.

The most severe damage which the drug cartels are responsible for causing to the USA though, is that inflicted upon the poorest and most vulnerable of its citizens who make up the largest group of users, and once addicted ALL hope of bettering their lives is gone - no matter how slim a chance they had of doing so anyway.

Trump is correct in what he says - even though he should have chosen his way of expressing what he says more wisely - and Mexicans ARE a MAJOR problem to the USA's Economy and Security.

The Drug Trade and People Trafficking are multi Billion Dollar industries, and wherever there are such huge amounts of money there is ALWAYS Goverment corruption, and some corrupt Mexicans in positions of authority are making huge sums from their corruption - from Mexican Politicians who are illicitly working FOR the Drug Cartels, to Immigration Agents and Border Guards who are assisting the Drug Smugglers and People Traffickers to 'smuggle' their 'merchandise' into the USA.

There are well documented cases of such Mexican Authorities offering valid US identification for sale, including US Passports and Social Security Numbers, and of Border Guards actually assisting illegal entry into the US by advising the 'Smugglers' and 'turning a blind eye'.

The $64,000 Dollar Question is this T.S.:

With such types of corruption among the Mexican Authorities at ALL levels, how long will it be before ISIS Suicide Bombers or Terrorists - who can more than match the wealth of the Drug Cartels and People Traffickers - start to bung a few hundred thousand to the these corrupt Mexican Authorities, or the Drug Cartels and People Traffickers themselves, and start to FREELY enter the USA by these many and diverse routes?

Trump is not an idiot. Nor is he xenophobic or racist.

He is correct.
But Trump hasnt only talked about tightening borders, he's talked specifically about targeting and deporting Mexican families and individual economic migrants who have lived there for decades. That reveals his attitudes for exactly what they are. Trying to link or liken all Mexican migrants into the US to drugs or cartels is just as offensive and even more ridiculous than branding all Muslims terrorists. The HUGE majority of Mexicans living in the United States are normal working families, often doing the jobs that US citizens do not want for less money and with zero employment rights. Several US economists have pointed out the "ugly truth" that there are large sections of the US economy that would struggle to operate without cheap immigrant labour.

Tightening the borders may have the EFFECT of lessening the ability of drug cartels to operate, but it's perfectly clear that his major motivation is simply to keep Mexicans - ALL Mexicans - out. And not for the benefit of US security or economy. Just because it's his M.O., he lives in a fantasy world where the US can close borders and in effect become a massive "gated community", and be an entirely self-sufficient economic powerhouse where everyone lives happily ignoring the problems of the rest of the world.
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But Trump hasnt only talked about tightening borders, he's talked specifically about targeting and deporting Mexican families and individual economic migrants who have lived there for decades. That reveals his attitudes for exactly what they are. Trying to link or liken all Mexican migrants into the US to drugs or cartels is just as offensive and even more ridiculous than branding all Muslims terrorists. The HUGE majority of Mexicans living in the United States are normal working families, often doing the jobs that US citizens do not want for less money and with zero employment rights. Several US economists have pointed out the "ugly truth" that there are large sections of the US economy that would struggle to operate without cheap immigrant labour.

Tightening the borders may have the EFFECT of lessening the ability of drug cartels to operate, but it's perfectly clear that his major motivation is simply to keep Mexicans - ALL Mexicans - out. And not for the benefit of US security or economy. Just because it's his M.O., he lives in a fantasy world where the US can close borders and in effect become a massive "gated community", and be an entirely self-sufficient economic powerhouse where everyone lives happily ignoring the problems of the rest of the world.
An excellent response T.S. with some valid points - which is becoming so refreshing on here - but I was rather addressing the kernel of truth in what Trump rather ham-fistedly states.
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