[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It won't be as big as the Fergie era, like Liverpool won't ever be as big as their 70's and 80's eras, but I seriously think it's some weird wishful thinking if you seriously think that these two clubs won't get back on their feet within the next 15 to 20 years.

I honestly could see Liverpool being able to compete in the Champions League soon in particular considering they've been doing okay lately besides the bad result against Southampton.

And all Man Utd need to do really is sort their defense out because the forwards are there as all they need is more experience, they've got plenty of Midfielders already, and De Gea is a world class Goalkeeper that might need a decent number 2 choice just in case De Gea got injured or suspended.

DDG will bugg#r off to Spain, probably Real Madrid, once they get over their financial fair play embargoes. Defensively Man U are OK, Luke Shaw was fantastic at the season start , his play in the CL was surprisingly sensational until that PSV injury. Chris Smalling on his day is brilliant but can also be holy ***e. Cameron Borthwick Jackson is a great prospect. But all in all the standard is way behind Madrid, Minich and Barcelona. Man U just are not in the elite bracket, they are a big brand but small on success and prospects. AC Milan were a big brand....

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

DDG will bugg#r off to Spain, probably Real Madrid, once they get over their financial fair play embargoes. Defensively Man U are OK, Luke Shaw was fantastic at the season start , his play in the CL was surprisingly sensational until that PSV injury. Chris Smalling on his day is brilliant but can also be holy ***e. Cameron Borthwick Jackson is a great prospect. But all in all the standard is way behind Madrid, Minich and Barcelona. Man U just are not in the elite bracket, they are a big brand but small on success and prospects. AC Milan were a big brand....

Find another team to hate. You seem quite bitter.
It's getting boring now

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Find another team to hate. You seem quite bitter.
It's getting boring now

Yep really aggressive about a team whose best years are behind them, whilst the new elite eg PSG 1970, Barca, and Bayern dominate football with ease. Whilst Pep G will inevitably and boringly turn City not just into *the Manchester* club, but the English club. But yet I'm still bitter about a mediocre team which has Schneidlin, past it Schweini/ Rooney and Rojo. Yes, I can feel the bitterness.

Again Tarryn, I have obviously touched a very very raw nerve about the fall of Man U. But the good news you can always re-hire Fergie

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

DDG will bugg#r off to Spain, probably Real Madrid, once they get over their financial fair play embargoes. Defensively Man U are OK, Luke Shaw was fantastic at the season start , his play in the CL was surprisingly sensational until that PSV injury. Chris Smalling on his day is brilliant but can also be holy ***e. Cameron Borthwick Jackson is a great prospect. But all in all the standard is way behind Madrid, Minich and Barcelona. Man U just are not in the elite bracket, they are a big brand but small on success and prospects. AC Milan were a big brand....

You're confusing what I'm saying here though.

I'm saying that one day soon Man U will be back at the top of the Premier League, the same for Liverpool too.

However it does take a bit longer to do well in the Champions League because the team needs to be in there for a few years to gain experience before having a chance at winning it.