[arista]

Osborne is live on the Parliament Channel only
As the Terrorist Bombs in Belgium is above all news on other channels



http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index...8-ed2a40dd319e
Slight Delay


Live Channel

[Kizzy]

Laughing fool.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6946176.html

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6936876.html

Nicky morgan confronted with this data...

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/03/22/g...it-poor-video/

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nicky morgan confronted with this data...

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/03/22/g...it-poor-video/

She was a rabbit caught in the headlights Kizzy.... Silly cow.

[Kizzy]

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...auling-7609958

[Kizzy]

How can anyone have any faith in George or this govt....How?

'Government debt has increased by Ł555 billion since George Osborne took office in 2010, the latest official figures show.

The Office for National Statistics said this week the Government had borrowed Ł70.7 billion pounds in the first 11 months of the current financial year.
Barring a major last-minute turnaround before the year ends next month, the Chancellor is likely to borrow more than his forecast for this year of Ł72.2 billion.

With inflation at zero and growth rates far from booming the Government is yet see real public debt falling as a percentage of the economy – the most important measure for assessing the public finances.

The Office for Budget Responsibility – the Government’s spending watchdog – cut its growth and deficit reduction forecasts in new projections revealed in the Budget a week ago.

The fiscal watchdog, which is in charge of official economic forecasts, said GDP would actually only grow by 2 per cent instead of 2.4 per cent in 2016.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6947661.html

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How can anyone have any faith in George or this govt....How?

'Government debt has increased by Ł555 billion since George Osborne took office in 2010, the latest official figures show.

The Office for National Statistics said this week the Government had borrowed Ł70.7 billion pounds in the first 11 months of the current financial year.
Barring a major last-minute turnaround before the year ends next month, the Chancellor is likely to borrow more than his forecast for this year of Ł72.2 billion.

With inflation at zero and growth rates far from booming the Government is yet see real public debt falling as a percentage of the economy – the most important measure for assessing the public finances.

The Office for Budget Responsibility – the Government’s spending watchdog – cut its growth and deficit reduction forecasts in new projections revealed in the Budget a week ago.

The fiscal watchdog, which is in charge of official economic forecasts, said GDP would actually only grow by 2 per cent instead of 2.4 per cent in 2016.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6947661.html

I don't know anyone who does Kizzy. Even my conservative friends want Osborne to resign.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't know anyone who does Kizzy. Even my conservative friends want Osborne to resign.

Politically aware people, maybe. The ones who count - the swing votes - the "current casual Tories" who don't really take much to do with politics other than vaguely sometimes reading the papers and then going out to vote are sadly still just as duped as they were when they bought into the bulls**t back in 2010. They believe that the previous Labour government made a big mess and got us into loads of debt, and that Cameron / Osborne / the current Government have "balanced the books" with their austerity measures.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Politically aware people, maybe. The ones who count - the swing votes - the "current casual Tories" who don't really take much to do with politics other than vaguely sometimes reading the papers and then going out to vote are sadly still just as duped as they were when they bought into the bulls**t back in 2010. They believe that the previous Labour government made a big mess and got us into loads of debt, and that Cameron / Osborne / the current Government have "balanced the books" with their austerity measures.

Ignorant snobs then? Yeah figured as much.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ignorant snobs then? Yeah figured as much.

Where do you get the 'snob' part from in what T.S. said?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Politically aware people, maybe. The ones who count - the swing votes - the "current casual Tories" who don't really take much to do with politics other than vaguely sometimes reading the papers and then going out to vote are sadly still just as duped as they were when they bought into the bulls**t back in 2010. They believe that the previous Labour government made a big mess and got us into loads of debt, and that Cameron / Osborne / the current Government have "balanced the books" with their austerity measures.

Conservatism is a really interesting ideology...well actually its many interesting ideologies and this is why so many 'traditional' conservatives are now standing up against these neoliberal charlatans and saying "enough". Neoliberal conservatism is very much a contradiction of every other conservative ideology and so if they want to survive politically, some changes will need to take place.

I just ignore those who still believe the Labour party brought this country into disrepute and that the conservatives are the ones trying to restore our country because they simply haven't been interested enough to find out the truth and if they are not interested enough to follow general politics from all sides, then they aren't going to be interested in anything I have to say.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Where do you get the 'snob' part from in what T.S. said?

That was only my interpretation you understand?

[MTVN]

I disagree with most of the blanket assumptions in the few posts above

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I disagree with most of the blanket assumptions in the few posts above

Why don't you just pick one and we'll go from there?..

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I disagree with most of the blanket assumptions in the few posts above

That conservatism is an interesting ideology?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Politically aware people, maybe. The ones who count - the swing votes - the "current casual Tories" who don't really take much to do with politics other than vaguely sometimes reading the papers and then going out to vote are sadly still just as duped as they were when they bought into the bulls**t back in 2010. They believe that the previous Labour government made a big mess and got us into loads of debt, and that Cameron / Osborne / the current Government have "balanced the books" with their austerity measures.

Good post again TS.
I was more a Conservative in 2010 although I voted Lib Dem, however I did not hold Labour responsible for the financial banking crash that came.
In fact I feel it may have been worse as David Cameron said Labour was regulating the Banks too much.
So he would have regulated them less had he been in power.

I did feel they could have done more in govt to prepare for harder times but that financial crash hit all major Nations around the World.
I thought Labour did the best it could in the circumstances and also did get us out of recession by 2009 and also had us heading back to around 1% growth too by the time 2010 came in.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why don't you just pick one and we'll go from there?..

Well the idea that the only Tories who still back Osborne are those who are not 'politically aware'. I also think that its a straw man that people blame Labour for causing the crash - very few people actually think that. There is, however, a very strong case to say that we were very unprepared for it and unable to react accordingly.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That conservatism is an interesting ideology?

Nah don't have a problem with that, every ideology is interesting

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well the idea that the only Tories who still back Osborne are those who are not 'politically aware'. I also think that its a straw man that people blame Labour for causing the crash - very few people actually think that. There is, however, a very strong case to say that we were very unprepared for it and unable to react accordingly.

You have to admit they have been shedding voters like lepers lose skin cells, and would have to be a dyed in the wool true blue steadfast tory to back him, have been living under a rock or be incredibly ignorant to suggest he is an effective chancellor.
Many people do think that Labour were instrumental in the crash, ' the mess left by Labour' is a phrase trotted out as often on here as it is on PMQs literally once a week at least.
What are we prepared for now, we've created our own mini recession, who will be blamed for that if not gideon?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well the idea that the only Tories who still back Osborne are those who are not 'politically aware'. I also think that its a straw man that people blame Labour for causing the crash - very few people actually think that. There is, however, a very strong case to say that we were very unprepared for it and unable to react accordingly.

Red herring or not, the straw man argument is always the weakest position in an argument/debate. It happens so often that I've named it 'Gideon's Law'.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have to admit they have been shedding voters like lepers lose skin cells, and would have to be a dyed in the wool true blue steadfast tory to back him, have been living under a rock or be incredibly ignorant to suggest he is an effective chancellor.
Many people do think that Labour were instrumental in the crash, ' the mess left by Labour' is a phrase trotted out as often on here as it is on PMQs literally once a week at least.
What are we prepared for now, we've created our own mini recession, who will be blamed for that if not gideon?

I'm going to remember that one

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well the idea that the only Tories who still back Osborne are those who are not 'politically aware'.

Who said the "only" ones? What I said was, the bulk of Tory voters (because, the bulk of ALL voters, though most seem oddly hesitant to admit it) are not politically aware on a day-to-day basis. This is why election campaigning, press smearing, negative politics, etc. happens and why it works. If it's not true, then there are a lot of politicians world-wide wasting a lot of money. A LOT of money. If the majority of people were actually following politics and voting based on real policy, trustworthiness, and each party's actual record of achievements, then these campaigns would be unnecessary and ineffective.

But anyway; what I was actually saying is that there are a lot of people who take only a passing interest in politics, who believed the Tory rhetoric in the run up to 2010, and who still actively believe that Camerosborne has "sorted out the deficit" and "got the country back on the right track" with their programme of austerity and cuts, cuts, cuts. Which is false. But they believe it and voted Tory again, and will do so again next time, because "we don't want that Labour mob getting back in and spending all of the money that the Conservatives have worked so hard to save!!!".

I also think that its a straw man that people blame Labour for causing the crash - very few people actually think that. There is, however, a very strong case to say that we were very unprepared for it and unable to react accordingly.

Really? Very few? Hmm... that must be an inredibly vocal "few", then, because there are an awful lot of people still bleating it. Now, for example, I'd say it's probably true that very few people on Serious Debates and News actually think that, but by necessity the people who are here are generally interested in observing and considering politics in some depth. Not a representative example of the average voter at all. In my opinion