[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Now that's funny

I have my moments

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I have my moments

Whens the next, shall I keep 2018 free?

[MTVN]

I don't see why it would affect the pay in Scotland anyway seeing as trading laws are devolved and that has meant Scottish workers do enjoy the premium pay on Sundays. If Holyrood could ensure that was the case before then why would a minor change to the law in England and Wales make them unable to do so?

And re the 'tough on retail workers' thing, well retail jobs are set to fall massively over the next few years, allowing Sunday trading would actually reverse that trend and either mean that more jobs become available or at least offer extra hours to those who want it. And in general it would mean busier high streets and more business for retailers and those are clearly positive if you're concerned about retail workers

[joeysteele]

I am glad it was defeated,clearly the SNP had their reasons and they must have been valid as to some crossover for them to be able to.

I think the Govt should realise it was a Conservative MP who brought this amendment,David Burrowes, and good on him for doing so to in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Retail is set to fall massively...Just what industry sectors will there be to provide jobs in the future? :/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I work 14 hours (8.30am - 10.30pm) every second Sunday (not optional) and don't get paid a penny over standard rate for it. Welcome to the future!

How do the bookmaker chains get away with this T.S.?

I suspect rules for Management might be different than for non-Managerial staff, but surely Sunday working is still overtime?

I'm no longer au fait with this subject now, but this isn't right in my book.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

How do the bookmaker chains get away with this T.S.?

I suspect rules for Management might be different than for non-Managerial staff, but surely Sunday working is still overtime?

I'm no longer au fait with this subject now, but this isn't right in my book.

It's the same for all staff, it's simply written into the contract. It was written into my contract before I ever started there, staff who have been there longer were paid off (between 1 and 4000 each) to sign away their double time Sundays. That happened a few months before I started so when I was a newbie I was hearing all about their holidays .

I get 1.5x for anything over 39 hours in a week, but that's not standard either, I've just held my ground on signing it away. They're not even offering financial incentive. Basically it was all part of the same deal as double Sundays but some quirk in the system because of when I started with the company meant I slipped through the net . I'm one of only two staff members in the region who still have it. Makes me feel speshal . They send me a "YOU MUST SIGN AND RETURN" letter every year or so but nothing happens when I bin it .

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's the same for all staff, it's simply written into the contract. It was written into my contract before I ever started there, staff who have been there longer were paid off (between 1 and 4000 each) to sign away their double time Sundays. That happened a few months before I started so when I was a newbie I was hearing all about their holidays .

I get 1.5x for anything over 39 hours in a week, but that's not standard either, I've just held my ground on signing it away. They're not even offering financial incentive. Basically it was all part of the same deal as double Sundays but some quirk in the system because of when I started with the company meant I slipped through the net . I'm one of only two staff members in the region who still have it. Makes me feel speshal . They send me a "YOU MUST SIGN AND RETURN" letter every year or so but nothing happens when I bin it .

Good for you mate. Before I was self-employed when I worked for others, all overtime was paid at time and a half and double time for Sundays and Bank Holidays.

It's disgusting now.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Good for you mate. Before I was self-employed when I worked for others, all overtime was paid at time and a half and double time for Sundays and Bank Holidays.

It's disgusting now.

It seems like this was pretty standard up until maybe 6/7 years ago. All changed now though. In many ways I miss my old student job as a "chef" (of delicious burgers, bangers and mash, and macaroni cheese) - could choose my own hours (as many or as few as I wanted), double time Sundays, 1.5x public holidays... I once worked a 12 hour shift on Easter Sunday, 3x pay, and it was of course easter break in a student bar... Everyone had gone home for the week. I made 4 burgers all day, and read a book. Score! No paid holidays or sick days but yeah... Simpler times...

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It seems like this was pretty standard up until maybe 6/7 years ago. All changed now though. In many ways I miss my old student job as a "chef" (of delicious burgers, bangers and mash, and macaroni cheese) - could choose my own hours (as many or as few as I wanted), double time Sundays, 1.5x public holidays... I once worked a 12 hour shift on Easter Sunday, 3x pay, and it was of course easter break in a student bar... Everyone had gone home for the week. I made 4 burgers all day, and read a book. Score! No paid holidays or sick days but yeah... Simpler times...

that was cushyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[smudgie]

This is the biggest disadvantage of making Sunday an ordinary working day. The loss of the enhancements.
They have tried (and failed) many a time to take different enhancements away from hubby over the years, he gets half a shift for a quick return..well as they now do 12 hours shifts most overtime covers this, double time on a Saturday night shift..Golden nugget shift, they get 32 hours for it. Time and a half any other overtime.
As more people have started working on a Sunday..and even some Saturday work, the pay just remains the same hourly rate.

[Kizzy]

Once out of the EU and their protections for workers everyone will be on 0hr minimum wage jobs 24/7.
And many have bent over and readily accepted it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Once out of the EU and their protections for workers everyone will be on 0hr minimum wage jobs 24/7.
And many have bent over and readily accepted it.

I don't know that that's necessarily true, 0 hour contracts are possible and already exist and most companies in most situations choose not to use them. In "high staff" situations like a supermarket, yes, but (for example) a place like mine with only 6 permanent staff (two of those part-time) it's beneficial to have people contracted into a set number of obligated hours. Otherwise, as soon as one or two people decide they don't want to work many hours that week (and they are not contractually obligated to work), you have a major staffing issue.

It is already the case, however, that for non-management grades they would prefer to have a larger number of staff on 20 or 25 hour contracts than a smaller staff all on 40. This is basically, purely and simply, because it's much easier to cover holidays and sickness if you only need to replace half of the hours. Never mind that 20 hours of employment is wholly unsuitable for most people seeking, of course.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know that that's necessarily true, 0 hour contracts are possible and already exist and most companies in most situations choose not to use them. In "high staff" situations like a supermarket, yes, but (for example) a place like mine with only 6 permanent staff (two of those part-time) it's beneficial to have people contracted into a set number of obligated hours. Otherwise, as soon as one or two people decide they don't want to work many hours that week (and they are not contractually obligated to work), you have a major staffing issue.

It is already the case, however, that for non-management grades they would prefer to have a larger number of staff on 20 or 25 hour contracts than a smaller staff all on 40. This is basically, purely and simply, because it's much easier to cover holidays and sickness if you only need to replace half of the hours. Never mind that 20 hours of employment is wholly unsuitable for most people seeking, of course.

It will become true, the amount of people on these contracts is growing exponentially over 800,000 now across many sectors, Regular contracted hours with securities, holidays, sick pay, overtime and/or increments are becoming a thing of the past.

[Sticks]

I just wonder how far the private members bill being introduced by Ebrill Cyntaf MP, Conservative Member for Downton in Wiltshire next Friday will get. That is the "Prohibition of Online Sunday Trading Bill"

The idea is that there is an anomaly in the law, whereby stores are restricted in when they can open and what they can sell, such as they can sell a pornographic magazine, but not a Bible, but online retailers are there 24/7 selling anything and everything. If the reports are correct, this bill if passed will close that loophole by outlawing online trading in the UK on Sundays. Sites will be required to close down, and the Bacs system dealing with credit and debit cards will be banned from authorising any online payments on a Sunday.

Needless to say Amazon would be opposed to this, but they are not above the law. The government were going to oppose this but after the rebellion by the conservative rebels, of which Ebrill Cyntaf MP was one, the rumour is that they are going to support it on the QT as a deal to head off future rebellions on other more important votes.

We also hear rumours that the SNP may be backing this, as not to do so might put workers pay at risk in Scotland. Not sure what the Labour Party position is on this, but one suspects that Unison may order them behind the scenes to support this bill, as online trading on a Sunday is costing shop workers jobs.

As for the house of Lords, expect it to get a fair wind there, with the Bishops all in favour, or to be more accurate, unable to justify not voting for it.

So it looks like shopping on line on a Sunday may be a thing of the past

I realise this is an erosion of our civil liberties, so time is short, and you may need to lobby you MP to vote against the "Prohibition of Online Sunday Trading Bill"next Friday at first reading

[DemolitionRed]

You can't force people who have an online shop to re-design their software so that people can't purchase on a Sunday and anyway, most big stores, the ones with the Sunday trading restrictions, have online stores. If I can't go to M&S after 4pm on a Sunday, I can go to M&S online and buy something.

If I can't buy from an English online shop, I can buy from a French one or are they going to stop foreign websites too?!

[Kizzy]

I doubt it'll get past first reading.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If I can't buy from an English online shop, I can buy from a French one or are they going to stop foreign websites too?!

Seems that was thought of, unless one has a foreign bank account, which I don't

the Bacs system dealing with credit and debit cards will be banned from authorising any online payments on a Sunday

Maybe you can try and get in touch Ebrill Cyntaf MP at her constituency office in Downton in Wiltshire, for whatever that is worth, but I don't think it will do any good. When I ran this idea past someone at work who had spoken up against Sunday trading, she was in agreement with it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Seems that was thought of, unless one has a foreign bank account, which I don't



Maybe you can try and get in touch Ebrill Cyntaf MP at her constituency office in Downton in Wiltshire, for whatever that is worth, but I don't think it will do any good. When I ran this idea past someone at work who had spoken up against Sunday trading, she was in agreement with it.

It doesn't bother me to be honest but I do have a French bank account so if I really felt the need to spend money on a Sunday, I'd use that.

[arista]

"Needless to say Amazon would be opposed to this,"


Amazon are soon to Deliver Morrison's Food
some same day
so Sticks
Online and on Street Shopping are Connected

[arista]

"Ebrill Cyntaf MP, Conservative Member for Downton in Wiltshire"

His Bill
is a joke.
Not Even on the Main News


Why bother wasting words on a Dead topic?


Sticks
we have so many more threads that need your Sharp Input

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I doubt it'll get past first reading.

Bang On Right

[arista]

"So it looks like shopping on line on a Sunday may be a thing of the past"


No it does look like that
Many folks never go near a Church.
You seem to be stuck in a Vision from the long past.


All the Workers on our Current Sunday Shops
need to get paid .


Sticks wants people to lose their homes?

Not in Our Lifetime

Sunday Shopping is Staying Forever
and so it should

The Church Is Dead

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I just wonder how far the private members bill being introduced by Ebrill Cyntaf MP, Conservative Member for Downton in Wiltshire next Friday will get. That is the "Prohibition of Online Sunday Trading Bill"

The idea is that there is an anomaly in the law, whereby stores are restricted in when they can open and what they can sell, such as they can sell a pornographic magazine, but not a Bible, but online retailers are there 24/7 selling anything and everything. If the reports are correct, this bill if passed will close that loophole by outlawing online trading in the UK on Sundays. Sites will be required to close down, and the Bacs system dealing with credit and debit cards will be banned from authorising any online payments on a Sunday.

Needless to say Amazon would be opposed to this, but they are not above the law. The government were going to oppose this but after the rebellion by the conservative rebels, of which Ebrill Cyntaf MP was one, the rumour is that they are going to support it on the QT as a deal to head off future rebellions on other more important votes.

We also hear rumours that the SNP may be backing this, as not to do so might put workers pay at risk in Scotland. Not sure what the Labour Party position is on this, but one suspects that Unison may order them behind the scenes to support this bill, as online trading on a Sunday is costing shop workers jobs.

As for the house of Lords, expect it to get a fair wind there, with the Bishops all in favour, or to be more accurate, unable to justify not voting for it.

So it looks like shopping on line on a Sunday may be a thing of the past

I realise this is an erosion of our civil liberties, so time is short, and you may need to lobby you MP to vote against the "Prohibition of Online Sunday Trading Bill"next Friday at first reading

There is effectively zero chance of this actually happening.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There is effectively zero chance of this actually happening.

Its unenforceable. To be able to do as suggested they would have to disable all credit/debit card transactions on a Sunday. So, no paying for food, petrol etc. No withdrawals from atm's etc. Cloud cuckoo land