[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How naive to think that this won't be abused. It annoys me how people are willing to have their rights ransacked as soon as someone mentions T-word. People like that are pretty much allowing the terrorists to win since what is the point if we become a Police State anyway. It's like those fools that want to leave the EU because it's Human Rights laws apply to everyone and not just the people they like, they don't realise they're giving up their rights just to spite a peado.

That ius quite the leap there from getting info from a murderers phone to save lives and thus becoming a police state

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That ius quite the leap there from getting info from a murderers phone to save lives and thus becoming a police state

There isn't a leap.

"I'm kind of interested in what those who were against the FBI accessing a terrorist's phone are really worried about. What do they think they have about them that is SO interesting that the security services would be keen to take a look?"

is simply a long-winded way of saying

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear".

This is a point of view that Livia has expressed on many occasions, along with being unable or unwilling to understand that some people don't agree with that logic.

Does that mantra automatically mean we have suddenly become a police state? No, of course not. It is one step closer, though.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There isn't a leap.

"I'm kind of interested in what those who were against the FBI accessing a terrorist's phone are really worried about. What do they think they have about them that is SO interesting that the security services would be keen to take a look?"

is simply a long-winded way of saying

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear".

This is a point of view that Livia has expressed on many occasions, along with being unable or unwilling to understand that some people don't agree with that logic.

Does that mantra automatically mean we have suddenly become a police state? No, of course not. It is one step closer, though.

hardly,its a specific operation aimed at saving lives

good luck to them

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That ius quite the leap there from getting info from a murderers phone to save lives and thus becoming a police state

If you think this is just about a terrorist's phone then you are naive. It's about setting a precedent.

It's a slippery slope, if we compromise our rights for a false sense of security then we'll be taken advantage of in the future since all they'll need to do is link something to terrorists and we'll be all too happy to throw our rights away.

There's going to be nothing of use on that phone, I'm calling it now. The terrorists behind that attack were likely acting alone and the FBI know that, they just want to set a precedent so they can do it in future.

[Cherry Christmas]

So to break this down, if a family member went unexpectedly missing would you want the police to access their phone and PC or not?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So to break this down, if a family member went unexpectedly missing would you want the police to access their phone and PC or not?

because next step its North Korea


The family member must die for our freedom

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So to break this down, if a family member went unexpectedly missing would you want the police to access their phone and PC or not?

Apples and oranges, dear. One has nothing to do with the other.

You can't use the threat of a missing person to justify potentially invading everyone's privacy. You can, however, do pretty much anything as long as you link terrorism to it because it's the ol' saying at work, you can use 9/11 and/or terrorism to justify anything in American politics.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Apples and oranges, dear. One has nothing to do with the other.

You can't use the threat of a missing person to justify potentially invading everyone's privacy. You can, however, do pretty much anything as long as you link terrorism to it because it's the ol' saying at work, you can use 9/11 and/or terrorism to justify anything in American politics.

It all boils down to gaining information, we can't pick and choose which scenarios we "give up our freedom for"

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It all boils down to gaining information, we can't pick and choose which scenarios we "give up our freedom for"

Well no, you're oversimplifying to suit your own argument to such a point that it's no longer factual.

Looking through a missing person's phone to find them is completely different to using the excuse of terrorism to potentially allow the government to hack whoever they please.

If you can't see the difference between the two scenarios then there's nothing I can do to help you.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So to break this down, if a family member went unexpectedly missing would you want the police to access their phone and PC or not?

Of course you would Cherie but in making that an option what you are doing in reality is hanging up a sign to all the worlds cyber criminals that says hey this door isnt locked properly we left a way in for you!! free bank details,personal data needed for identity theft,where you live,where your kids go to school even the keys to your car (some car makers are scrapping keys in favour of the RFID chip)
You can be sure making a way in for anyone (even Apple themselves) people with bad intentions will find it almost instantly. The amount of crime it would facilitate and danger it would put people in would dwarf any good that could come of creating a back door to let the FBI in.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Of course you would Cherie but in making that an option what you are doing in reality is hanging up a sign to all the worlds cyber criminals that says hey this door isnt locked properly we left a way in for you!! free bank details,personal data needed for identity theft,where you live,where your kids go to school even the keys to your car (some car makers are scrapping keys in favour of the RFD chip)
You can be sure making a way in for anyone (even Apple themselves) people with bad intentions will find it almost instantly. The amount of crime it would facilitate and danger it would put people in would dwarf any good that could come of creating a back door to let the fbi in.

We are up **** creek either way

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We are up **** creek either way

Pretty much I will have a look for a video i saw the other day. Even Apple call it dancing on the edge of the Volcano They barely stay ahead of the security game when it comes to their software (and they are pretty damn good at it) They admit even if they created a way in that only they knew it would be game over everyones security gone.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you think this is just about a terrorist's phone then you are naive. It's about setting a precedent.

It's a slippery slope, if we compromise our rights for a false sense of security then we'll be taken advantage of in the future since all they'll need to do is link something to terrorists and we'll be all too happy to throw our rights away.

There's going to be nothing of use on that phone, I'm calling it now. The terrorists behind that attack were likely acting alone and the FBI know that, they just want to set a precedent so they can do it in future.

A New Case
FBI are trying to stop a Nuke Bomb in White Van
going off. The Data is on the iPhone

Under Dezzy's Logic that Nuke will Destroy the USA City its in.

As Dezzy wants phones Kept Locked.


Feck Me
Whatever Next

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

A New Case
FBI are trying to stop a Nuke Bomb in White Van
going off. The Data is on the iPhone

Under Dezzy's Logic that Nuke will Destroy the USA City its in.

As Dezzy wants phones Kept Locked.


Feck Me
Whatever Next

Using a specific hypothetical situation that fits the world of films more than real life as a counter argument is just silly, more so than usual coming from you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Using a specific hypothetical situation that fits the world of films more than real life as a counter argument is just silly, more so than usual coming from you.

Its Not Silly Dezzy
anything can happen.

Nothing to do with Film Scripts

You must Answer
if a iPhone that has Data to Stop a
Terrorist from setting off his
Nuke Bomb in a White Van

Under Your Solid Logic
No you can not look into that phone
Millions Will Die


You must change your View if
the situation becomes so Deadly


Either you want to Stop Terrorists
or you do not want to bother


I am Sorry to be So Crude
Please Reply Dezzy

Make My Day......,

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Its Not Silly Dezzy
anything can happen.

Nothing to do with Film Scripts

You must Answer
if a iPhone that has Data to Stop a
Terrorist from setting off his
Nuke Bomb in a White Van

Under Your Solid Logic
No you can not look into that phone
Millions Will Die


You must change your View if
the situation becomes so Deadly


Either you want to Stop Terrorists
or you do not want to bother


I am Sorry to be So Crude
Please Reply Dezzy

Make My Day......,

No because that scenario is dumb as ****. How would IS get their hands on a nuke? How would they manage to smuggle said nuke into America undetected. Why, after all that, would they be stupid enough to leave everything that's needed to foil their plot on a phone that the FBI can hack?

It's dumb and I refuse to take your B-movie action plot seriously.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No because that scenario is dumb as ****. How would IS get their hands on a nuke? How would they manage to smuggle said nuke into America undetected. Why, after all that, would they be stupid enough to leave everything that's needed to foil their plot on a phone that the FBI can hack?

It's dumb and I refuse to take your B-movie action plot seriously.

OK you can not Stand the Heat
thank for Your Reply.

Getting a Nuke to go off
in a Van, inside America - would not be
public knowledge
How Isis get one , built, is through Criminals
that trade parts for Big Cash
and no concern for it use.
Getting into into USA via Canada
Any Size Bomb can be set by a mobile phone signal
Fact