[Mystic Mock]

The problem with him was that he was unwilling to learn the lingo.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The problem with him was that he was unwilling to learn the lingo.

Exactly. It's so disrespectful when Brit players and managers don't bother learning the local euro lingo. Moyes, McLaren, Bale , Joey Barton all lazy and arrogant as feck on sovereignty of English language. Mourinho, Wenger et al speak our language better than most Brits. It's also a lack of commitment, lack of intellgience to fail to grasp language abroad in less than a year. Who wants to play under a thick culturally lazy manager? If Gary or Phil Neville had spent a season at end of their careers in Spain (or major league in Europe) at a club like Deportivo, Real Betis, Real Socidad, or Rayo Vallecano it might have given them credibility. Just being legends at Man U isn't enough.

Mancini spent 6 bizarre games at Leicester at end of his career and everyone at time was like WTF? It's now obvious he was scoping out English football and the Premier leagues and voilà he landed a big job at Man City years later. Laurent Blanc had a strange but successful spell at Man U, guess what he will definitely end up managing a Premier league side when PSG stops being interesting.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic has never played over here in UK, but is fluent in English. Cech learns every language of his teammates so he can communicate better. An English player and/or manager just thinks in terms of premier league so doesn't bother leaning another language. Too many English players and managers think the job is just about motivating players and tactics but it's not, it's about good communication , explaining why the team will play 4-5-1, why you are playing pressing football, why a player will be dropped for the game against Stoke City, why Diego X will take now penalities etc.

I remember when Eric Cantona joined Leeds United in 1992 after he abandoned Sheffield Wednesday move, some snearing journalists tried to catch manager Howard Wilkinson out on his lack of French but Wilkinson was able to respond in French and the journalist was forced to say 'that wasn't supposed to happen!'

Also, Brit managers lack innovative thought. All the great thinkers in football are foreign. Hence why our managers suck. There's too much old boys network in English football. Jobs for boys. Why do top ex English players think they can go straight into a management job? Tony Adams (Arsenal) failed manager. Paul Ince (Man U) failed manager. Tim Sherwood , Teddy Sherringham etc. Slavan Billic may be an ex -West Ham player but he also has a law degree, so he's able to convey difficult ideas , Mourinho a polyglot who can communicate to different nationalities, Wenger economics degreee so has a handle on vagareis of transfer market, Ranieri experience of several European clubs so can adjust tactics and formations to fit, the Brit managers only know how things are in England/ Britain.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Exactly. It's so disrespectful when Brit players and managers don't bother learning the local euro lingo. Moyes, McLaren, Bale , Joey Barton all lazy and arrogant as feck on sovereignty of English language. Mourinho, Wenger et al speak our language better than most Brits. It's also a lack of commitment, lack of intellgience to fail to grasp language abroad in less than a year. Who wants to play under a thick culturally lazy manager? If Gary or Phil Neville had spent a season at end of their careers in Spain (or major league in Europe) at a club like Deportivo, Real Betis, Real Socidad, or Rayo Vallecano it might have given them credibility. Just being legends at Man U isn't enough.

Mancini spent 6 bizarre games at Leicester at end of his career and everyone at time was like WTF? It's now obvious he was scoping out English football and the Premier leagues and voilà he landed a big job at Man City years later. Laurent Blanc had a strange but successful spell at Man U, guess what he will definitely end up managing a Premier league side when PSG stops being interesting.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic has never played over here in UK, but is fluent in English. Cech learns every language of his teammates so he can communicate better. An English player and/or manager just thinks in terms of premier league so doesn't bother leaning another language. Too many English players and managers think the job is just about motivating players and tactics but it's not, it's about good communication , explaining why the team will play 4-5-1, why you are playing pressing football, why Diego X will take penalities etc.

Also, Brit managers lack innovative thought. All the great thinkers in football are foreign. Hence why our managers suck. There's too much old boys network in English football. Jobs for boys. Why do top ex English players think they can go straight into a management job? Tony Adams (Arsenal) failed manager. Paul Ince (Man U) failed manager. Tim Sherwood , Teddy Sherringham etc. Slavan Billic may be an ex -West Ham player but he also has a law degree, so he's able to convey difficult ideas , Mourinho a polyglot who can communicate to different nationalities, Wenger economics degreee so has a handle on vagareis of transfer market, Ranieri experience of several European clubs so can adjust tactics and formations to fit, the Brit managers only know how things are in England/ Britain.

I actually agree with everything that you're saying actually.

I also am with Girth on why did Gary Neville go for such a big Spanish club for his first managerial job? I know Valencia aren't at the standard of the top 3, but they're normally top 6.