[_Tom_]

Stunning the animal first surely is a better way than slitting its throat whilst it is fully conscious.

Halal meat is animal cruelty whichever way you look at it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jake.

really don't care, I don't eat it/don't judge people who do

How do you know you don't eat it? In London a lot of venues serve halal meat without advertising the fact

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's hypocritical to eat meat and then have a problem with how the animal was killed. Dead's dead. Something has been killed so you can eat, how it was killed is pointless.

As someone who eats meat I can't complain about how the animal is executed.

An animal having it's throat cut and bleeding to death and an animal that has been stunned before being killed ..big difference

Originally Posted by TomC

Because of the pain and suffering. There's clearly a difference. These animals are bred to die, but they shouldn't need to suffer in the process.

[_Tom_]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's hypocritical to eat meat and then have a problem with how the animal was killed. Dead's dead. Something has been killed so you can eat, how it was killed is pointless.

As someone who eats meat I can't complain about how the animal is executed.

Flawed logic. Just because it's being killed for my benefit doesn't mean I can't have a say in the way in which it's done. One way is more humane than the other. Slitting the animal's throat whilst fully conscious is barbaric.

If you consume something then you are allowed a say in the process. That's like saying it's hypocritical to have a say on environmental issues if you drive.

[Tom4784]

It's a meaningless difference. If the animal understood what was happening it wouldn't care how it was going to die, only that it was going to die.

If you cared that much about the animal's suffering then you'd be a vegetarian. People who eat meat don't get the right to act offended. It's hypocritical and vain.

[RichardG]

I don't agree with it

But not because Britain First told me not to

[joeysteele]

I really very rarely eat meat.

I am not vegetarian but may as well be as I could easily live without eating meat,I only have the smallest amount whenever do when with family.

Given the choice I would rather the animal was stunned first however.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a meaningless difference. If the animal understood what was happening it wouldn't care how it was going to die, only that it was going to die.

If you cared that much about the animal's suffering then you'd be a vegetarian. People who eat meat don't get the right to act offended. It's hypocritical and vain.

It's nothing to do with understanding, it's about the pain an animal endures unnecessarily.

[MTVN]

Have often gone for the Halal option at canteens or dinners if I like the sound of the dish and I would never have any qualms about eating halal. Then again I am generally very indifferent to these matters.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a meaningless difference. If the animal understood what was happening it wouldn't care how it was going to die, only that it was going to die.

If you cared that much about the animal's suffering then you'd be a vegetarian. People who eat meat don't get the right to act offended. It's hypocritical and vain.

Yes it's going to die anyway but there's two choices, 1. death without suffering, and 2. death with lots of suffering. I disagree that someone has to be a vegetarian (or that they're being hypocritical or vain) to have a preference for the 'no suffering' option. For me, I'm not a vegetarian so yes I want the animal to be killed, but why does that mean I can't care about it if it suffers during the process?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's nothing to do with understanding, it's about the pain an animal endures unnecessarily.

It's silly to cry about how the animal is killed when you're chowing down on a lamb chop. The animal didn't HAVE to be killed, in fact we don't ever have to kill another animal for food since there's substitutes that can be eaten instead and supplements that can be taken. We don't eat animals because we must, we eat them because we can and because we want to.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you truly cared for the animal's welfare then you'd be a vegetarian since the act of eating meat is indulgent and not needed for survival. You can't be a meat eater and then complain about how the meat comes to be. It's shallow and serves nothing but your own vanity.

[Kizzy]

What about when 'stunned' cattle regain consciousness whist trussed upside down waiting in line for the bolt gun?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's silly to cry about how the animal is killed when you're chowing down on a lamb chop. The animal didn't HAVE to be killed, in fact we don't ever have to kill another animal for food since there's substitutes that can be eaten instead and supplements that can be taken. We don't eat animals because we must, we eat them because we can and because we want to.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you truly cared for the animal's welfare then you'd be a vegetarian since the act of eating meat is indulgent and not needed for survival. You can't be a meat eater and then complain about how the meat comes to be. It's shallow and serves nothing but your own vanity.

It's even more silly to compare a humane death and one where an animal is bled to death as being equal and using vanity as an argument

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's silly to cry about how the animal is killed when you're chowing down on a lamb chop. The animal didn't HAVE to be killed, in fact we don't ever have to kill another animal for food since there's substitutes that can be eaten instead and supplements that can be taken. We don't eat animals because we must, we eat them because we can and because we want to.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you truly cared for the animal's welfare then you'd be a vegetarian since the act of eating meat is indulgent and not needed for survival. You can't be a meat eater and then complain about how the meat comes to be. It's shallow and serves nothing but your own vanity.

I have to agree with every word there.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;8635747]What about when 'stunned' cattle regain consciousness whist trussed upside down waiting in line for the bolt gun?[/QUOTE

Who is saying this isn't awful?

[RichardG]

Humans are animals and animals eat meat, there's nothing wrong with favouring a less painful method of killing

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by RichardG

Humans are animals and animals eat meat, there's nothing wrong with favouring a less painful method of killing

Most animals we eat are herbivores

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Most animals we eat are herbivores

Does this make me really vain then

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by RichardG

Does this make me really vain then

Not if you stop looking in the mirror

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's even more silly to compare a humane death and one where an animal is bled to death as being equal and using vanity as an argument

Not really, complaining about how animals are killed when you're happy enough to gorge on the meat is hypocritical. Death is Death, the animal wouldn't thank you for killing it in a way you'd deem acceptable. It's a vain way of making yourself feel less guilty for what is an indulgent act.

I eat meat, I love it but I'm not going to bleat on about how one way of killing a defenseless animal is better than another because at the end of the day the end result is the same and the only difference is that you're desperately trying to justify the method you think is humane.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I saw an interesting thing this morning about beer, worcester sauce and a few other random items that contain meat and fish products. Bloody hard to be a vegetarian these days.

Are you joking me at beer

They should put that on the label

[bots]

If one extends the argument and say, the NHS is under pressure, so lets remove the pain medication for the terminally ill, they are going to die anyway, it makes no difference.

Lets see how long that argument lasts.

Of course we should be humane. We need meat and killing humanely is a no thought option.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If one extends the argument and say, the NHS is under pressure, so lets remove the pain medication for the terminally ill, they are going to die anyway, it makes no difference.

Lets see how long that argument lasts.

Of course we should be humane. We need meat and killing humanely is a no thought option.

That's so silly that it's not worth even considering as a counter argument.

You do not need to eat meat, it's a choice to eat meat, you will not die without it. You can thrive by eating substitutes. To compare it to the act of removing pain medicine from dying people is the definition of a desperate strawman argument.

To think that the animals do not suffer in slaughter houses, Halal or otherwise is FOOLISH. To think that one method is better for the animal than another is ridiculous, you are happy at the thought of ending an animal's life so you can have a nice bit of meat for dinner. The method of slaughter doesn't matter to the animal, it still dies in an awful place for selfish reasons.

Honestly, it's so wishy washy and half arsed how meat eaters complain about this, they want to have their cake and eat it too. Be a vegetarian if it bothers you that much, I will never take a meat eater seriously when they complain about Halal meat.

Either stop being self righteous and own the fact that eating meat is a needless and indulgent act or actually go the distance and give up meat. You can't do both without looking like a hypocrite.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a meaningless difference. If the animal understood what was happening it wouldn't care how it was going to die, only that it was going to die.

Come on thats just stupid, thats like saying a hostage doesn't care how they are killed when i,m sure all would prefer a quick bullet to the head rather than a videod beheading

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not really, complaining about how animals are killed when you're happy enough to gorge on the meat is hypocritical. Death is Death, the animal wouldn't thank you for killing it in a way you'd deem acceptable. It's a vain way of making yourself feel less guilty for what is an indulgent act.

I eat meat, I love it but I'm not going to bleat on about how one way of killing a defenseless animal is better than another because at the end of the day the end result is the same and the only difference is that you're desperately trying to justify the method you think is humane.

If you were in the animals position I think we know which death you would choose. One option is obviously far more preferable no matter how politically correct you're trying to be.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Are you joking me at beer

They should put that on the label

The majority of agents used to remove the sediment and make the drink clear are made from animal products. This applies to wine, beer or whatever.