[Greg!]

I wouldn't mind if they introduced elements of BBUS or BBCAN but it needs to keep the public vote. One of the worst things about the last BBCAN is that the best people were voted out when the public would have kept them

[TomC]

^ You can't have a strategy based game and public decisions as well, like Jack said.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I wouldn't mind if they introduced elements of BBUS or BBCAN but it needs to keep the public vote. One of the worst things about the last BBCAN is that the best people were voted out when the public would have kept them

Yeah, the Canadian's would have kept them. If the UK's favourites were as good as they (usually) are over there, I'd be happy to keep the public vote. But they aren't. So it would still be a total waste of time.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And I hate it when people insist they don't want to adopt the US format when they've never even seen an episode of it (this isn't directed at you, just in general). What we have now isn't BBUK, it's so far removed it's laughable. And more to the point - the UK format sucks compared to the US and Canada one. Why would I just want it to continue just because 'that's BBUK' when the other is more interesting? Essential housemates being evicted by the clueless public and people making it far/winners being crowned cause they're attractive dull men OR letting the housemates get on with it themselves and actually have to earn their place in the house and succeed on merit and not just through virtue of never speaking a word and being a man? Yeah, I know what I'd prefer.

I know it wasn't directed at me, but I've seen half of BBCan4 and the first week of BBCan1 as well as some clips of BBUSA, so I think I know the format well enough to form my own opinion on it and come up with the conclusion that I don't want BBUK to adopt the US/Can format. Don't get me wrong though, it's a brilliant format (well BBCan is anyway).

Originally Posted by Pete.

I don't see the point in having 3 BBUSA formats especially when BBUSA and BBUK run alongside each other

This is a good point. You have BBCan which runs from March till May and then a few weeks later BBUK starts and then a few weeks later BBUSA starts and they're on at the same time. Wouldn't that just get stale, having the exact same format running for 6 months straight? You're ideally watching the same thing. It may be a good format now, but that doesn't mean it will maintain its freshness as the years go by. It's the same thing with shows like IAC/XF/BGT - they all started off as good formats, but now they're just stale. And these are shows which air once a year fgs.

Originally Posted by LukeB

The uk format these days is dusty and crap so i'll be here for a change of format, one because it be more interesting and the public doesn't make stupid choices by evicting the bigger characters and two it would make me audition.

It's not like BBCan/BBUSA's eviction orders are any better most of the time. I mean from what I watched of BBCan4, the eviction order was terrible. You had people like Sharry and Loveita who didn't even make it to jury. And don't even get me started on who ended up winning the series

Plus most of the good housemates who have made it far in BBUK wouldn't have if the USA/Can format had been implemented.

Neither are perfect.

[TomC]

I think in terms of BBUK as a whole though, this is a null point, as for the majoriity of BBUK viewers this is a fresh, new format.

[Jason.]

Well yeah obviously. But I don't think BBUK needs a new format though. Like I've said on numerous occasions, the format itself is actually a good one - it's just executed appalingly by C5 (especially in the last two years).

Just my opinion

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jason.

It's not like BBCan/BBUSA's eviction orders are any better most of the time. I mean from what I watched of BBCan4, the eviction order was terrible. You had people like Sharry and Loveita who didn't even make it to jury. And don't even get me started on who ended up winning the series

Plus most of the good housemates who have made it far in BBUK wouldn't have if the USA/Can format had been implemented.

Neither are perfect.

But that's just one season though which doesn't happen on every season unlike the UK. BBCAN had 3 good winners in a row with one bad one. BBCAN is more perfect than UK and USA can be slightly better than the UK as well.

with BBCAN4 the good characters did actually get far into the game.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Well yeah obviously. But I don't think BBUK needs a new format though. Like I've said on numerous occasions, the format itself is actually a good one - it's just executed appalingly by C5 (especially in the last two years).

Just my opinion

[LukeB]

The uk format

Rebecca "shut up you ****"
Emma "Rebecca you have been evicted".. over someone like Pav

This does not happen on BBCAN/USA

[TomC]

Originally Posted by LukeB

The uk format

Rebecca "shut up you ****"
Emma "Rebecca you have been evicted".. over someone like Pav

This does not happen on BBCAN/USA

Love it!

The thing is, I was thinking last night, and this is kind of in response to Jason's response: there's no market for a back to basics BBUK IMO. They need to try something new.

Also, I BBCAN4 has left me wanting more, even though I was bitterly disappointed with the result.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by TomC

Love it!

The thing is, I was thinking last night, and this is kind of in response to Jason's response: there's no market for a back to basics BBUK IMO. They need to try something new.

Also, I BBCAN4 has left me wanting more, even though I was bitterly disappointed with the result.

You need to watch BBCAN1-3 amazing seasons .. tbh 1-4 are miles better than C5 big brothers/CBBs and some C4s ones.

BBCAN4 had a tragic boot order but they were still people who contributed to the show , love them or hate them.. Cassandra/Joel/Nikki/Kelsey/bros/Tim made it far and none of them were boring in anyway. I hate the brothers but they contributed to the show.

[TomC]

Yeah it could have been worse and they did play the game well.

I should watch BBCAN1-3 at some point but I'm tied up in BB11 atm!

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by TomC

^ You can't have a strategy based game and public decisions as well, like Jack said.

Yes you can?

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Yes you can?

You can't mix them because then people's strategy can be ruined by the public and there's potential for the public to stop people winning regardless of their merit as a gameplayer. It just wouldn't work.

[Greg!]

I literally do not care if the "best game player" wins or not I'm just interested in entertainment

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I literally do not care if the "best game player" wins or not I'm just interested in entertainment

Hence why there's no point in mixing them.

And public input ruins gets rid of the entertaining ones IMO.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by TomC

Love it!

The thing is, I was thinking last night, and this is kind of in response to Jason's response: there's no market for a back to basics BBUK IMO. They need to try something new.

Also, I BBCAN4 has left me wanting more, even though I was bitterly disappointed with the result.

What? Who said BBUK had to go back to basics?

It'll never be the same as the BB1-BB4 days. And that's fine because I (as well as many others) don't want it to go back to that. But I don't see why it couldn't be the same show it was, say 8-10 years ago.

You're right that there's no market for back to basics BBUK, but I don't think the same applies to the 2005-2008 days of BB. The format hasn't really changed all that much since then, it's just that production has worsened as the years go by. Like compare BB5/6 to BB9/10. The format of the show was exactly the same and hadn't changed in 4/5 years, it was just the production (and casting to some extent) that had weakened since then which is why the latter were inferior series to the former.

[TomC]

But they've added all these twists to the current format and I just realistically am not sure if they'll stop that.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by TomC

Hence why there's no point in mixing them.

And public input ruins gets rid of the entertaining ones IMO.

There is a point because when there has been strategy aspects in past BBUKs like when they could talk about noms in BB13 and the girl power thing in BB15 it has been entertaining. And the public usually only makes bad decisions when its vote to evict rather than vote to save.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by TomC

But they've added all these twists to the current format and I just realistically am not sure if they'll stop that.

BB7 was a heavily twisted series and that's regarded as one of the best series amongst BBUK viewers. BB8 was another series that relied heavily on the twist side of things and although it wasn't viewed positively at the time and probably still isn't now - the meddling then was less damaging than it was in BB15/16. My point is you make it sound like 'twisted' BB has just come about in recent years when in reality it hasn't - it's been around since as far as BB3. It's only worse now because these twists that the producers decide to throw out every other day are awful, unoriginal, and executed with absoloutely no organisation or thought prior whatsoever. And who's to blame for that? The producers, not the 'dying' format.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jason.

It's not like BBCan/BBUSA's eviction orders are any better most of the time. I mean from what I watched of BBCan4, the eviction order was terrible. You had people like Sharry and Loveita who didn't even make it to jury. And don't even get me started on who ended up winning the series

Plus most of the good housemates who have made it far in BBUK wouldn't have if the USA/Can format had been implemented.

Neither are perfect.

Yeah but at least for the most part the people who make it deep into the game under the US format do so on actual merit and have earned their place through playing well. That's got to be better than the BBUK way which is 'sit back, don't say a word all series, have a penis and be attractive' which is not only an easy strategy, it's completely counter-productive entertainment wise as well.

Sure, the eviction patterns in North America might not always be great but I can stomach my favourite losing out there a lot more than I can in the UK because I know it's mainly their fault and not just because they're unlucky enough to not fulfil the requirements of the clueless voting public.

(side note: Loveita and Sharry really weren't all that)

Originally Posted by Greg!

I literally do not care if the "best game player" wins or not I'm just interested in entertainment

And there's nothing wrong with that, you're in the majority.

But if you don't care about the game don't then comment on how it could work with the public vote still in tact because it couldn't. You'd have people vying to be HoH to target somebody, playing a whole week of comps and having game talk all throughout, only to then leave the decision upon whether your target leaves or not up to a public vote where people leave based upon who's spoken or who's an attractive man how are you supposed to play a strategy based game within those confines? You'd have an HoH target someone, them be saved, them target the previous HoH, then be saved, rinse and repeat all series long. It doesn't work, it's pointless.

At least if you had the public save a nominee before the house vote you're adding a new dynamic to the game because they could be the target and then the public throws a spanner in the works and saves them, but the house can still decide who to vote out of the remaining two. If you still leave the ultimate decision upon who's evicted to the public, that isn't a strategic game. It's a popularity contest.

[Greg!]

As I said earlier I'm not bothered if allowing the public to vote "ruins someone's target" or whatever. I'm only bothered about the entertainment. All I'm saying is to freshen up the show they could consider keeping the basic format the same but adding in elements of BBUS.

And don't tell me what I can and can't comment on.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

As I said earlier I'm not bothered if allowing the public to vote "ruins someone's target" or whatever. I'm only bothered about the entertainment. All I'm saying is to freshen up the show they could consider keeping the basic format the same but adding in elements of BBUS.

And don't tell me what I can and can't comment on.

It doesn't matter if you're not personally bothered if it ruins someone's target or not, it still does.

You yourself said 'yes you can' to someone saying you can't mix a strategy format with a popularity one, but haven't actually said why other than 'I don't care about the game just entertainment' and 'I don't care if it ruins someones target'? That may be true and you're entitled to feel that way, but that's not really an argument against Tom's post is it?

I suggested you didn't comment because if you supposedly don't care about the game, why are you responding to posts saying a game-format could work with a public vote? That's contradictory

[TomC]

I'm just gonna leave Jack to argue this case as I feel he puts it better than me

[zakman440]

I've given it some thought and I'm now not objected to the US format being implemented over here tbh. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer them to just implement the BBAU points/superpower nominations system then give the public both VTE/VTS, but if they're not going to do that then I wouldn't mind them trailing the US format for a series, seeing if it works and then possibly keeping it in the future.

Sure, they'd lose voting revenue, but as others have said - product placement opportunities are available. Not to mention the fact they could introduce a subscription-based Live Feed on the website (they just need to do this anyway tbh) which could replace the voting revenue + increase visitors to the BB website (again, an advertisement opportunity is there). It honestly wouldn't be as bad as some are making it out to be - the excecutives in charge of Big Brother obviously aren't going anywhere any time soon (apart from Smith's voluntary departure) so they might as well experiment with other formats to see what works and what doesn't. Anything's got to be better than the past two years worth of BBUK.

(Quite how we got to this subject from Rylan's "it's completely different" spiel that he says every year I have no idea)