[JerseyWins]

I miss the BBCAN3 cast. Something about them just gelled well together as a whole so even the ones I disliked felt like they fit in and played a solid part.

This season's cast is still pretty entertaining but it almost feels like a BBUS 9 version of BBCAN but less vile. Something like that.

I also do still like quite a bit of the BBCAN4 cast but only maybe two would get in my BBCAN top 10 and just barely.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

See I don't really understand this and there's a kinda broad topic of discussion here so I'm gonna open this can of worms.

Firstly most people assume I'm straight. Why? I don't know and it's kinda annoying. Maybe it's because I don't pay attention to pop culture, I love rap music, I don't really care about my appearance/personal style, I'm very low-key, I hate shopping etc. However if I fancy whacking on an episode of Absolutely Fabulous, pouring myself a glass of rosé wine or girating around to Destinys Child and someone says "omg you're sooo gay" I'm not gonna be offended because well... I am gay? And if I see an effeminate gay man on a show such as Big Brother I'm not going to be concerned about how he represents the community because of his flamboyance, he is who he is and I will care more about his personality.

I mean masculinity is essentially just a concept that's drilled in by society's norms and as gay men I feel that we really understand this better than anyone. I wouldn't say Aneal or Mitch are particularly flamboyant but they are themselves without any concerns of masculinity. Plus I don't think Kenny was a good role model for gay people. In fact he was arguably one of the worst: hiding your sexuality from the house is just an awful, awful example. If 13 year old LemonJam was watching Kenny saying "I'm not going to come out in case it's used against me" I would be even more scared to come out. Plus the fact he played with womens emotions that he would never be interested in, called women bitches and that he'd push one of them down the stairs, I don't really see him as good representation.

Now take Gary who was himself and extremely proud and imagine the impact Gary probably had on young gay kids watching the show, (especially if he would have won as Topaz intended. ) There is a need for the Garys and the Rauls and the Scotts on these kinds of programs so kids like them can feel like they're not alone and that they're represented, because there are a lot of flamboyant gay people out there and we love them all. There is nothing wrong with being flamboyant, hell, I wish I was a bit more flamboyant. There is so much harm in the whole "masc" and "straight acting" concept when people shouldn't care about being "manly" whether you're homosexual or heterosexual. What's more important is that you are yourself.

Great post, I agree

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I miss the BBCAN3 cast. Something about them just gelled well together as a whole so even the ones I disliked felt like they fit in and played a solid part.

This season's cast is still pretty entertaining but it almost feels like a BBUS 9 version of BBCAN but less vile. Something like that.

I also do still like quite a bit of the BBCAN4 cast but only maybe two would get in my BBCAN top 10 and just barely.

Looks like season 4 of any big brother is a let down, maybe apart from US? But Uk was a borefest.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

See I don't really understand this and there's a kinda broad topic of discussion here so I'm gonna open this can of worms.

Firstly most people assume I'm straight. Why? I don't know and it's kinda annoying. Maybe it's because I don't pay attention to pop culture, I love rap music, I don't really care about my appearance/personal style, I'm very low-key, I hate shopping etc. However if I fancy whacking on an episode of Absolutely Fabulous, pouring myself a glass of rosé wine or girating around to Destinys Child and someone says "omg you're sooo gay" I'm not gonna be offended because well... I am gay? And if I see an effeminate gay man on a show such as Big Brother I'm not going to be concerned about how he represents the community because of his flamboyance, he is who he is and I will care more about his personality.

I mean masculinity is essentially just a concept that's drilled in by society's norms and as gay men I feel that we really understand this better than anyone. I wouldn't say Aneal or Mitch are particularly flamboyant but they are themselves without any concerns of masculinity. Plus I don't think Kenny was a good role model for gay people. In fact he was arguably one of the worst: hiding your sexuality from the house is just an awful, awful example. If 13 year old LemonJam was watching Kenny saying "I'm not going to come out in case it's used against me" I would be even more scared to come out. Plus the fact he played with womens emotions that he would never be interested in, called women bitches and that he'd push one of them down the stairs, I don't really see him as good representation.

Now take Gary who was himself and extremely proud and imagine the impact Gary probably had on young gay kids watching the show, (especially if he would have won as Topaz intended. ) There is a need for the Garys and the Rauls and the Scotts on these kinds of programs so kids like them can feel like they're not alone and that they're represented, because there are a lot of flamboyant gay people out there and we love them all. There is nothing wrong with being flamboyant, hell, I wish I was a bit more flamboyant. There is so much harm in the whole "masc" and "straight acting" concept when people shouldn't care about being "manly" whether you're homosexual or heterosexual. What's more important is that you are yourself.

I missed this, wonderfullly written

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I miss the BBCAN3 cast. Something about them just gelled well together as a whole so even the ones I disliked felt like they fit in and played a solid part.

This season's cast is still pretty entertaining but it almost feels like a BBUS 9 version of BBCAN but less vile. Something like that.

I also do still like quite a bit of the BBCAN4 cast but only maybe two would get in my BBCAN top 10 and just barely.

BBUS9 is an underrated gem that had a great cast.

BBCAN3 had a vile cast

[Raph]

I miss the BBCAN3 cast so much too Jersey. The BBCAN3 family

[Daniel-X]

I decided to restart my BBCan1 first watch today and it's actually really good so far, I think I lost interest last time because I was watching a lot of RTV at the time.

Current rankings (including Kat):

1. Danielle
2. Gary
3. Suzette
4. Talla
5. Jillian
6. Topaz
7. Liza
8. Emmett
9. Andrew
10. AJ
11. Kat - EVICTED
12. Alec
13. Peter
14. Aneal
15. Tom

Green = Stan
Blue = Like
Yellow = Meh
Orange = Dislike slightly
Red = Dislike/Hate

[Lostie!]

I absolutely loved BB1

[Samm]

BB1 is gold

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

I decided to restart my BBCan1 first watch today and it's actually really good so far, I think I lost interest last time because I was watching a lot of RTV at the time.

Current rankings (including Kat):

1. Danielle
2. Gary
3. Suzette
4. Talla
5. Jillian
6. Topaz
7. Liza
8. Emmett
9. Andrew
10. AJ
11. Kat - EVICTED
12. Alec
13. Peter
14. Aneal
15. Tom

Green = Stan
Blue = Like
Yellow = Meh
Orange = Dislike slightly
Red = Dislike/Hate

Danielle Evicted:

1. Gary (+1)
2. Danielle (-1) - EVICTED
3. Suzette (-)
4. Talla (-)
5. Jillian (-)
6. Topaz (-)
7. Andrew (+2)
8. Emmett (-)
9. Liza (-2)
10. AJ (-)
11. Alec (+1)
12. Aneal (+2)
13. Peter (-)
14. Tom (+1)

Danielle she made me howl so much '**** YOU TOM!' over the vodka was just what I would've said. I loved the friendship group between her, Gary, Talla and Suzette too . HATE the cuatro alliance between Peter/Alec/Tom/Emmett.

I'll be updating after each eviction.

[reece(:]

Danielle

Robbed angel!

[TomC]

I've started BBCAN1 cos I need more haha. I only know the final 2 so no spoilers please!

all the HGs look the same this year

[Jack_]

^ do you know who wins?

Enjoy

[TomC]

Yeah I do! Unfortunately :/

I am enjoying it so far! It's weird watching it without the BBCAN4 HGs

[Braden]

I feel like I really need to watch the first two seasons properly...but I'm busy.

[TomC]

Tom and Emmett are so hot

But Tom is clearly a bit homophobic...

I wish that bloody Jon guy hadn't come as a guest on the BBCAN4 final, then I would have been able to watch a series not knowing anything about the boot order...

[LukeB]

perched for your rankings.

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by TomC

Tom and Emmett are so hot

But Tom is clearly a bit homophobic...

I wish that bloody Jon guy hadn't come as a guest on the BBCAN4 final, then I would have been able to watch a series not knowing anything about the boot order...

I find Tom literally so ugly inside and out from what I've seen. The friendship group of Talla/Danielle/Suzette/Gary are the best.

I like Emmett but I don't find him hot.

[Ross.]

I'm gonna do a 1-3 rewatch because I want the experience again

[LukeB]

Sorry Daniel-X but I hated Danielle(not because she's a recruit) but because she annoyed the hell out of me and she was clearly jealous of Jillian. That offering to be a pawn and I've been hearing she's a red neck which puts me off even more.

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Sorry Daniel-X but I hated Danielle(not because she's a recruit) but because she annoyed the hell out of me and she was clearly jealous of Jillian. That offering to be a pawn and I've been hearing she's a red neck which puts me off even more.

Spoiler:

Yeah being offered to go up as a pawn was a pretty stupid move but TBH the odds did look in her favour till the Alec/Peter/Emmett/Tom alliance flipped and then it was doomed she would go as they had their showmances and some floaters they pulled over too.

I just liked her because of her outspoken OTT behaviour and she pretty much summed up what I was thinking half the time.

[TomC]

Really getting into it now, Danielle vs Aneal is really interesting, as Danielle is meant to be the pawn, and is oblivious to the fact that the guys are considering helping Aneal stay.

Suzette is my favourite so far. I mean, no one really stands out in the first five episodes in BBCAN.

[TomC]

Omg that was an epic eviction

[TomC]

Omg Tom is HoH

A reign of terror?

I am sure he will come for Gary Glitter once again!

[Daniel-X]

Tom can you spoiler please hun? Its just your ahead of me and I'm watching BBCan1 too atm im just being really slow because exams are taking up all my time.