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Old 18-05-2016, 04:08 PM #126
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ffs everyone shut up it's a poll about preference and it's clear some people are passionate but like let people have an opinion JUST VOTE IN THE POLL
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Because the UK format is terrible and it gets terrible each year. It's never going to go back to what it was so a change of format won't hurt a dead end show. It's going to get axed either way because people are so bored of this crap. The uk format is beyond repairing. I prefer the that format too because the public have no power so they can't discriminate/be prejudice.
It's not beyond repairing, they just choose not to. It's very simple to return the show to what it was. It just sounds like you wouldn't even want that because you've become so biased towards the US format.

And what about seasons like BB15 that are full of bigotry and nastiness and then the final two consists of two of those involved? At least with the UK format the public might have a chance to get them out (whether they do or not is another matter).

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That leads me on to my next point - these changes need to have longevity in mind. Be honest, does mixing celebrities and civilians sound like an idea that could be repeated again? If anything, it's a change that only has a quick boost in the ratings in mind and not the long term future on the show. It would probably also help bring the show one step closer to it's eventual axe and replacement with a longer Celebrity Big Brother.
Ofc it would be repeated again, C5 are obsessed with celebrities. We will have 3 CBBs a year in no time.. well we are going to if they do Civilian vs Celebs because it's so obvious the celebs will the main focus of the show
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Timebomb is the template for what we have coming. The already known people stealing the screen time from the newbies.
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It's not beyond repairing, they just choose not to. It's very simple to return the show to what it was. It just sounds like you wouldn't even want that because you've become so biased towards the US format.

And what about seasons like BB15 that are full of bigotry and nastiness and then the final two consists of two of those involved? At least with the UK format the public might have a chance to get them out (whether they do or not is another matter).
Yes it is beyond repairing nothing can save it because it's too late/Brian. you can't bring back a dead person can you? BBUK is a dead show. I would like it back but it's never ever ever ever ever going to happen.

BB15 is one of the worst BBUK seasons which slightly killed the show by giving Helen a final pass and then they took away the power from people. Helen and Ashleigh only got votes because of the producers manipulating viewers. Jack_ being an Helen fan back then will also say this too. As I said before white males/females mainly males have it easy on the show. Where it's a different story for POC females.
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ffs everyone shut up it's a poll about preference and it's clear some people are passionate but like let people have an opinion JUST VOTE IN THE POLL
It's called a debate and everyone is letting people have an opinion so

and the irony of it all
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Ofc it would be repeated again, C5 are obsessed with celebrities. We will have 3 CBBs a year in no time.. well we are going to if they do Civilian vs Celebs because it's so obvious the celebs will the main focus of the show
It's not really channel 5's fault though that CBB is what the general public prefer to watch. If BB got better ratings I'm sure that would be their main focus.
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Yes it is beyond repairing nothing can save it because it's too late/Brian. you can't bring back a dead person can you? BBUK is a dead show. I would like it back but it's never ever ever ever ever going to happen.
Luke, taking a show back to it's roots and bringing back dead people aren't really the same thing.

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BB15 is one of the worst BBUK seasons which slightly killed the show by giving Helen a final pass and then they took away the power from people. Helen and Ashleigh only got votes because of the producers manipulating viewers. Jack_ being an Helen fan back then will also say this too. As I said before white males/females mainly males have it easy on the show. Where it's a different story for POC females.
I was referring to BB15 US.

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It's not really channel 5's fault though that CBB is what the general public prefer to watch. If BB got better ratings I'm sure that would be their main focus.
It is some of their fault because it's so obvious they don't give a damn about the civilian edition. They put more effort into CBB more than anything.
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Oop what I meant wasn't to stop debating just post your own opinion without belittling someone else's

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It is some of their fault because it's so obvious they don't give a damn about the civilian edition. They put more effort into CBB more than anything.
In what way do they put more effort in? Apart from the cast obviously being better I'd say the tasks and twists they do are pretty much the same as what is in normal BB.

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Would they cast the same kinds of people for a BBCan/BBUSA type format? When I think of the auditions on YouTube, I think two I know of who said they'd been called seemed like the standard C5 "I'll have sex in the house and tell it like it is."

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Why do people keep asking 'why would you want another version with the US format' to then be given answers several times but still repeat the question? The reasons have been repeated ad nauseam. It's a better format, it rewards people on merit not gender or lack or contribution, it's more consistent than what we have now, it's more interesting, I'd like to see British people playing because I think it'd be hilarious, I'd like to be given the opportunity to play myself. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

If something's good of course I'm going to want it to be repeated elsewhere, why wouldn't I?
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I'd like to expand on why I'd prefer the US format over civilians vs celebrities.

Firstly, I don't buy the "we already have this - so why don't you watch that instead?" argument. If Endemol themselves had used the argument of "we have Big Brother in the Netherlands - why don't you just watch that instead?", the format would never have expanded across the world in the first place.

Secondly, I think it's safe to say that anything left of the BBUK format is probably dead in the water in this point, hence why they want to make a radical change this series to make it seem like a new show.

That leads me on to my next point - these changes need to have longevity in mind. Be honest, does mixing celebrities and civilians sound like an idea that could be repeated again? If anything, it's a change that only has a quick boost in the ratings in mind and not the long term future on the show. It would probably also help bring the show one step closer to it's eventual axe and replacement with a longer Celebrity Big Brother.

Switching to the US format on the other hand seems to me like a bold move that does have longevity in mind, as it's an actual change rather than a twist in which the novelty will wear off around 2 weeks in. Let's not forget that the whole reason why the US format was created in the first place - the ratings were abysmal and Endemol/CBS needed to make a change in order to stay on the air (aka - the situation Big Brother UK is in right now). The US format is thriving in America and in Canada, with a similar format running successfully in Brazil, so it's not like it's dying in every market that it launches in.

The basic format of strangers living in a house together being watched by the public with evictions taking place would still be there, it's just the events up to and during the eviction that would be different. Regarding the phone vote, I don't think that Channel 5 is even making that much money of that anyway, but a good way of replacing that would be a Live Feed on the website that could be offered for free with product placement and advertising opportunities split between a profit and covering the cost or on a paid subscription basis that would do the same.

The production team can still cast the same characters that we get and we can still have the nightly highlights show - it's only the game format that's changing. No-one is saying that the editing style should change either (well, other than the already existing changes that need to take place) - the producers can still use the same story-arc that focuses on the housemates interactions rather than the gametalk (which isn't as common as some might think).

Don't get me wrong, there are other options that I'd prefer to see (I've said a lot that I'd prefer that they use the BBAU 5 points/superpower system and offer both VTE and VTS), but switching to the US format wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as some are making it out to be . The ratings were already abysmal last summer with it falling under the 1 million mark on some nights, so Channel 5 haven't really got much to lose at this point.
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Oh but it absolutely is their fault. Channel 5's obsession with CBB has been evident from the very start and it's well documented that they didn't even want the civilian series in the first place. They launched with CBB, they throw all of the money and promotion at CBB, there's now two CBB's a year while the civilian series is losing weeks, civilians get VTE while their precision celebs are protected with VTS, the list goes on.

Their infatuation with CBB is completely transparent and everything they do and have done is all deliberate, in an attempt to make people prefer that version and sadly people have fallen for all of this. I remember when they took on the show that the warning signs were clear and that I'd hope people would still support the original version of the show but it isn't happening, it makes me so sad when I see people say that they prefer CBB now because it means what they've been doing has worked on them, they've fallen for it and it's desperately sad that fans have just tacitly allowed them to do this.

They've been driving the civilian series into the ground for years all so that they eventually have an excuse to axe it, the only hope now is that they seem to be pumping loads of money into a house extension - but time will tell.
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I'll give it a pass if it's US format.

There's a reason why US/Canada are the only countries who focus on game play... because those countries love game play. Eg. Survivor.

Here those formats are not welcome. The constant doom and talk of game play is what annoyed me about the first 2 weeks of BB13. Having a horrible/not very nice person win (which normally they do in the US) will be as welcome in this country as a nun slapping her tit across my face.

We are a moany lot. People will not like the fact they can't get people they dislike out.

I'm not here for 10 weeks of every scene being "ok our strategy is..." just have fun ffs

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I'd rather not watch highlights after highlights of gameplay. Had enough of that in the first half of BB15. It's not watchable, it's boring and repetitive.

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I'll give it a pass if it's US format.

There's a reason why US/Canada are the only countries who focus on game play... because those countries love game play. Eg. Survivor.

Here those formats are not welcome. The constant doom and talk of game play is what annoyed me about the first 2 weeks of BB13. Having a horrible/not very nice person win (which normally they do in the US) will be as welcome in this country as a nun slapping her tit across my face.

We are a moany lot. People will not like the fact they can't get people they dislike out.

I'm not here for 10 weeks of every scene being "ok our strategy is..." just have fun ffs
Given that Helen won nearly two years ago though
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I could count on one hand the number of people who've won BBUS who I'd describe as 'not very nice people', it's not much different to BBUK. What I do however prefer is that at least people under their format succeed on merit and through their own doing rather than by virtue of having a penis, being attractive or never speaking a word - which is so counter productive it's unreal.

Sure my favourites don't always win in North America but give me a winner like the brothers over someone like Sam Evans any day. They may have been annoying but at least they earned their win and it was deserved, based on some kind of merit.
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I'd rather not watch highlights after highlights of gameplay. Had enough of that in the first half of BB15. It's not watchable, it's boring and repetitive.
This isn't necessarily what would happen either, nor is anyone saying it should. Most people prefer BBCan to BBUS because it has elements of BBUK with secret missions, more fun, irreverent stuff and the inclusion of non-game talk discussions in the edit.

There's literally no chance of BBUK reverting to three episodes a week so that's plenty of time for normal conversations and highlights to be included as normal. Just because we'd adopt the US format, doesn't mean we'd have to adopt their show too. Canada has proven you can tweak it and make it your own.
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IA with Lostie tbh (from what I read on the the last page)

People complaining about BBUK being terrible now because it has changed too much and it's nothing like how it used to be years ago, yet they want to drift it away even further from the original concept by introducing the BBUSA format doesn't really make sense to me.

Each to their own, I guess.

To answer the question, neither format because they're both awful ideas. But if I had to choose, I'd go with the Celeb vs. Civilian.

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This isn't necessarily what would happen either, nor is anyone saying it should. Most people prefer BBCan to BBUS because it has elements of BBUK with secret missions, more fun, irreverent stuff and the inclusion of non-game talk discussions in the edit.

There's literally no chance of BBUK reverting to three episodes a week so that's plenty of time for normal conversations and highlights to be included as normal. Just because we'd adopt the US format, doesn't mean we'd have to adopt their show too. Canada has proven you can tweak it and make it your own.
Yes, but I'm highlighting what happens when the UK show adopts more gameplay elements, it tends to overtake everything. And considering that we get a lot less footage from the house nowadays it really spoils a series when only one thing (like the power housemate) is constantly focussed on and discussed.
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...um, no, because as I've stated several times now, at least people under the US format succeed on merit and their own doing, rather than just because they're a man, attractive or have never spoken in the series - or a combination of these three.

At least the winners of BBUS and Canada, or those who make it far, do so deservedly and with some kind of effort. I can stomach my favourites losing/winning that way much more than I can with the piss easy, laughable requirements it takes to do well in BBUK, because it's their own fault either way.

So the point still stands!
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