[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

It still had some life up until they did 15 which killed the show with the final pass,the constant twists nearly every second and the most awful casting in BB history.

No actually I don't hate it because that **** won, it was awful before that

The twists were much better than BB16's, the cast was waaaaaay better than 11 and 12's and it had much more going on than them for that matter too

Originally Posted by LukeB

lol if you say so.

Please tell me how Helen OR Ashleigh (bringing Ashleigh into this comparison especially may be one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while on this forum) at all compare to Scumanda ****erman? You are desperately clutching at straws trying to hate on them and it's a ridiculous comparison

You moan at other people for saying Dan Gheesling is as bad as Justin Sebik, Dick and Aaryn yet here you are comparing Helen and Ashleigh to a racist psychotic you couldn't write it

[Wojtek]

BB8 and BB14

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The twists were much better than BB16's, the cast was waaaaaay better than 11 and 12's and it had much more going on than them for that matter too

Please tell me how Helen OR Ashleigh (bringing Ashleigh into this comparison especially may be one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while on this forum) at all compare to Scumanda ****erman? You are desperately clutching at straws trying to hate on them and it's a ridiculous comparison

You moan at other people for saying Dan Gheesling is as bad as Justin Sebik, Dick and Aaryn yet here you are comparing two Helen and Ashleigh to a racist psychotic you couldn't write it

The twists were awful on both 15/16 but the final pass and the killer nomination tops the list. Taking away power from Toya and Ashleigh is up there too. It's like taking an HOH away from someone.

I'm comparing them because they both made their seasons awful for different reasons(not saying they are fully the same because obvs they are not). Both Amanda and Helen both bullied someone and acted aggressively towards people and both are *****(but Amanda took it too far) .Just comparing them on their one trick pony contribution to the season and both made their seasons awful.

I do get you love shouting housemates because it's tv gold but it;s just boring

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

The twists were awful on both 15/16 but the final pass and the killer nomination tops the list. Taking away power from Toya and Ashleigh is up there too. It's like taking an HOH away from someone.

I'm comparing them because they both made their seasons awful for different reasons(not saying they are fully the same because obvs they are not). Both Amanda and Helen both bullied someone and acted aggressively towards people and both are *****(but Amanda took it too far) .Just comparing them on their one trick pony contribution to the season and both made their seasons awful.

I do get you love shouting housemates because it's tv gold but it;s just boring

Err...no, 4In4Out tops the list. Easily the worst twist the producers have concocted since the final-ruining quad eviction, since it was actually a promising start to the series up until that point and it killed it in one night, never to recover again. I agree the Toya thing was a farce but for the most part the twists benefited and were rigged for the right people so idc

...I don't actually think BB15 US was that awful in hindsight, it's a damn sight better than the monotonous BB16 was. Despite all what happened, if nothing else it was gripping. We're never going to agree on Helen bullying someone in BB15 and it's best we don't turn this into yet another debate on that because it will go nowhere, but no matter how much of a **** she was, she has nothing on a woman that made racist, homophobic, xenophobic remarks, relentlessly bullied one particular houseguest up to and including trying to slam her with a metal door and dragging her step-kids into an argument saying she was a terrible mother, they don't love her and 'should've been swallowed' the two are not comparable no matter how hard you try because Scumanda wasn't the only part of her season. Plus, I still don't get how Ashleigh can at all be compared to her?!?! like lmao what on earth?!

As for the bit in bold, I am seriously sick and ****ing tired of you deliberately repeating that same line over and over and over again, despite the fact I have refuted it on several occasions , all of which you have seemingly ignored. I don't know how many times I need to explain it before it goes in but it's a really pathetic go-to line you seem to use when you're losing an argument, so will you please stop it?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Err...no, 4In4Out tops the list. Easily the worst twist the producers have concocted since the final-ruining quad eviction, since it was actually a promising start to the series up until that point and it killed it in one night, never to recover again. I agree the Toya thing was a farce but for the most part the twists benefited and were rigged for the right people so idc

...I don't actually think BB15 US was that awful in hindsight, it's a damn sight better than the monotonous BB16 was. Despite all what happened, if nothing else it was gripping. We're never going to agree on Helen bullying someone in BB15 and it's best we don't turn this into yet another debate on that because it will go nowhere, but no matter how much of a **** she was, she has nothing on a woman that made racist, homophobic, xenophobic remarks, relentlessly bullied one particular houseguest up to and including trying to slam her with a metal door and dragging her step-kids into an argument saying she was a terrible mother, they don't love her and 'should've been swallowed' the two are not comparable no matter how hard you try because Scumanda wasn't the only part of her season. Plus, I still don't get how Ashleigh can at all be compared to her?!?! like lmao what on earth?!

As for the bit in bold, I am seriously sick and ****ing tired of you deliberately repeating that same line over and over and over again, despite the fact I have refuted it on several occasions , all of which you have seemingly ignored. I don't know how many times I need to explain it before it goes in but it's a really pathetic go-to line you seem to use when you're losing an argument, so will you please stop it?

I would take 4in4out over final passes as that's more unfair especially since it was so obvious Pauline would give it to a day 1 housemate which was more unfair on day 2 housemates where they also missed out of the first PH.

I would take 16usa over a season full of racists/homophobia/constant bullying. Nearly all of the cast were bigots which for me kills a season. Which is why Elissa/Candice/Helen(usa) need a second chance it was only them 3 who was decent.

I don't ignore I just don't buy it tbh simply because you think Helen was amazing tv when all she did is shout at someone and argue all the time. But each to their own, I just don't understand why you criticise other people for bullying when Helen was targeting Jale,isolated her,ganged up on Ashleigh with her clique, but 16 made you see the real her., she was basically the same person but said more nasty things.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I would take 4in4out over final passes as that's more unfair especially since it was so obvious Pauline would give it to a day 1 housemate which was more unfair on day 2 housemates where they also missed out of the first PH.

I would take 16usa over a season full of racists/homophobia/constant bullying. Nearly all of the cast were bigots which for me kills a season. Which is why Elissa/Candice/Helen(usa) need a second chance it was only them 3 who was decent.

I don't ignore I just don't buy it tbh simply because you think Helen was amazing tv when all she did is shout at someone and argue all the time. But each to their own, I just don't understand why you criticise other people for bullying when Helen was targeting Jale,isolated her,ganged up on Ashleigh with her clique, but 16 made you see the real her., she was basically the same person but said more nasty things.

If Toya had been there on Day 1 Pauline would've given her the final pass I think