[Northern Monkey]

Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 - second highest on record
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36382199

Camerons promise to get migration down to the tens of thousands is failing miserably.
Immigration is only going one way and that is up.This trend can't carry on.We live on a very tiny island and our cities are already jam packed.

What do you think can be done to get immigration down to managable levels?

[Kizzy]

Stop employers recruiting from abroad to get past the minimum wage laws?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 - second highest on record
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36382199

Camerons promise to get migration down to the tens of thousands is failing miserably.
Immigration is only going one way and that is up.This trend can't carry on.We live on a very tiny island and our cities are already jam packed.

What do you think can be done to get immigration down to managable levels?

Vote to leave the EU.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Look at Oz

They saw they had a boat refugee crisis so they said "anyone coming to this country on boats or makeshift vessels will not be allowed in, period, no matter what is happening in your country"

The people making money out of this got the message and it stopped. You have to be hard, not sentimental and decisive,.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Look at Oz

They saw they had a boat refugee crisis so they said "anyone coming to this country on boats or makeshift vessels will not be allowed in, period, no matter what is happening in your country"

The people making money out of this got the message and it stopped. You have to be hard, not sentimental and decisive,.

If you want to move to Oz you have to have something to offer their society, a trade at least, or a profession. You just have to show up in the UK.

[Kizzy]

I'm just gonna rock up like Jonny Depps dogs

Seriously though I saw the headline that if we leave the EU migration will be down to zero....bullplop.

[Jack_]

WE'RE FULL! THERE'S NO ROOM! CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!!!1 grrr

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Vote to leave the EU.

And then we'll have to relax any new immigration laws that come from leaving the EU in order to trade with them. Leaving the EU will not affect immigration in the slightest.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

WE'RE FULL! THERE'S NO ROOM! CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!!!1 grrr

not sure what point you are making there other than to show that huge swathes of the UK are not fit for habitation?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not sure what point you are making there other than to show that huge swathes of the UK are not fit for habitation?

great banta

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

great banta

well you go live in the purple bit for a few months and report back to me

[user104658]

Well at least you managed to point out that it has increased "to" 333,000 which is slightly less hysterical than LT's thread of yesteryear in which he insisted that it had increased "by" 300,000 ... ...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jack_

WE'RE FULL! THERE'S NO ROOM! CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!!!1 grrr

So most of that uninhabited land is farmland.You suggest trying to get farmers to sell their land and create new cities to try and house and employ all these people?This would cost a fortune and create alot more polution.Not to mention the infrastructure needed.New roads,railways,busses,hospitals,prisons,police etc etc and what about the farming industry which is already suffering?Eventually the UK would just be one giant concrete jungle with no countryside left.
Something will have to be done eventually.We can only keep burying our heads in the sand for so long.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

So most of that uninhabited land is farmland.You suggest trying to get farmers to sell their land and create new cities to try and house and employ all these people?This would cost a fortune and create alot more polution.Not to mention the infrastructure needed.New roads,railways,busses,hospitals,prisons,police etc etc and what about the farming industry which is already suffering?Eventually the UK would just be one giant concrete jungle with no countryside left.
Something will have to be done eventually.We can only keep burying our heads in the sand for so long.

Applies to the world tbh. We're ****ed.

http://www.worldometers.info/watch/world-population/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And then we'll have to relax any new immigration laws that come from leaving the EU in order to trade with them. Leaving the EU will not affect immigration in the slightest.

I agree.
Actually in my view,there is no way I can see the UK getting any noteworthy trade deal with the EU were we to leave without accepting EU citizens to come to the UK.
There would be hardly any chance at all I would say of any deal for the UK,being accepted by and then ratified by the remaining 27 EU nations, unless it involved the UK still accepting the free movement of EU citizens.

The only immigration we will likely be able to control is the one we actually can now if we wanted to, from the other nations of the World.
The very Nations we will probably need to suck up to to ensure any decent future for the UK.

This is another red herring from the out campaign side in my opinion,who really cannot even say what exactly should, or will be, the deal sought from the EU,even if with their antagonistic overtones, they could even negotiate any decent deal at all with the EU.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And then we'll have to relax any new immigration laws that come from leaving the EU in order to trade with them. Leaving the EU will not affect immigration in the slightest.

I beg to differ.

[bots]

Immigration is an issue, there is no hiding from it, and if the EU leaders had a bit of backbone they would deal with it. If we do end up out of the EU, it will be immigration worries that swung it.

Our illegal immigration won't go down, but the legal immigration will. We can and will dictate the terms under those circumstances.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I beg to differ.

So if we trade with the world as a non EU member state can you guarantee that trade deals will have no ties to freedom of movement?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So if we trade with the world as a non EU member state can you guarantee that trade deals will have no ties to freedom of movement?

No one can Kizzy.

I myself however,feel as sure as I can be that no way, will the 27 Nations we will be leaving behind with the EU we actually help to set up as it is now too,will any even just good trading deal with the UK be ratified by all those 27 Countries unless the UK fully accepts the free movement issue.

In or out, that will still go on,I really believe that.

[Johnnyuk123]

The EU is in a shambles. Leaving the EU means we get to decide who we trade with and we only sign up if we think it is good for Great Britain. All this negative nonsense of oh dear we will have to go cap in hand to the EU cos if we leave they are gonna make life hard for the UK is absolute scare monger rubbish. The EU needs the UK more than we need them.

[Kizzy]

Why's that then?..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The EU is in a shambles. Leaving the EU means we get to decide who we trade with and we only sign up if we think it is good for Great Britain.

This is an idea borne of an inflated sense of how great "Great" Britain still is, though. This idea that Britain can sift through the trading CV's of every other country and pick out the cream of the crop, and those countries will be happy to spark up lucrative trade agreements with us to the benefit of Britain... because who wouldn't want the honour of licking the UK's boots, right?

No. If the UK leaves the EU, and thus London's status as an access hub in Europe, I fear we will all very quickly learn just how irrelevant our little island is in global terms.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is an idea borne of an inflated sense of how great "Great" Britain still is, though. This idea that Britain can sift through the trading CV's of every other country and pick out the cream of the crop, and those countries will be happy to spark up lucrative trade agreements with us to the benefit of Britain... because who wouldn't want the honour of licking the UK's boots, right?

No. If the UK leaves the EU, and thus London's status as an access hub in Europe, I fear we will all very quickly learn just how irrelevant our little island is in global terms.

Absolutely,very well put and I agree with every word.

[Kizzy]

Me too, we're the worlds dumping ground.. oh you want to put your nuclear power plant here? ok and you want to frack the shi* out of the place?
That's fine....
What's that despot? you need some guns.... here you go!

[DemolitionRed]

I've already stated that I'm voting for out but I'm not kidding myself that if Brexit happens, and I doubt very much it will, we are going to hit tough times for a few years and because immigration boosts our economy, its the one thing the government will want to encourage.

As for trade deals, that's going to be a tough call and we can't speculate as to the sort of deals that will be made. One thing for certain is, Britain is a small Island with a big punch and its going to lose that punch if we pull out.

The only good I see in coming out is, we will be pulling away from global world order.