[Jason.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

tbh Dexter being against any female he would have survived. I'm so glad there wasn't a Gina vs Dexter eviction because Gina would have went on a VTE/VTS

I think Gina could've beaten him in both when she was at her peak around Week 3-7.

Didn't he get more votes to evict than her in Week 5?

[Daniel.]

An official bore? I've heard it all now.
Such utter rubbush.

[Marsh.]

I will not stand for Hazel abuse.

That woman put up with more than enough in her series.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

That makes no sense

She contibuted nothing FOR ME

It makes plenty of sense

You hate BB15 because of its awful housemates, right? If you consider Helen to be one of those, then considering she lasted the entire series - she has to be a pretty huge factor in why you hate it so much, which means she objectively was a massive part of the series.

Unless of course you don't think Helen was one of the awful housemates?

[Daniel.]

I think they were all awful housemates bar Ashleigh and Danielle

[Daniel.]

B

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

I think they were all awful housemates bar Ashleigh and Danielle

Delusion 101

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I think Gina could've beaten him in both when she was at her peak around Week 3-7.

Didn't he get more votes to evict than her in Week 5?

I really much doubt that,If it was Gina vs Dexter only

VTE - Gina has more haters than Dexter and she would have went, also looking at the stats females/poc women are most likely to go against a male.

VTS - Gina haters would have saved Dexter,Dexter had the cat ladies too(which appaz offensive) and he had a strong fan base.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

An official bore? I've heard it all now.
Such utter rubbush.

please remind me what she did before the Daley storyline started

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I will not stand for Hazel abuse.

That woman put up with more than enough in her series.

See this is honestly the reason why I think most people like her. Now don't get me wrong...I don't really see anything wrong with that, like I get it and it's fair enough really with what happened to her, but it doesn't mean she was actually that great a housemate

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

A hilarious love triangle I'll have you know Callum vs Dexter is iconic <3

And let's not forget Hazel was an ~official bore~ before the whole thing with Daley started up. And after that, Gina kept her relevant.

I mean Ashleigh was a bore until like Week 4 of BB15, so idg the argument you're making. It didn't stop her becoming the "star of the series" as you mention.

My point is Hazel was centered around the biggest controversy of the series, and as well as that she had her long-going feud with Gina, as well as her up-and-down friendship with Charlie.

All I remember of Dexter is the Dexter, Charlie, and Callum love triangle (which wasn't really all that) and the Callum vs. Dexter thing was just a product from that.

Just my opinion though.

[Macie Lightfoot]

As for Dexter... yeah he was just a very boring screenplay lol. What were his moments? What are we supposed to like him for? What did he do?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

I think they were all awful housemates bar Ashleigh and Danielle

In which case Helen's one of the reasons why you hated the series so much - meaning she must've been a huge part of it...and she was because she lasted the entire duration!

It's pretty self explanatory lol

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I will not stand for Hazel abuse.

That woman put up with more than enough in her series.

Hazel is so underrated and she is the queen

[Daniel.]

She doesn't have to do 'anythung' for me to find her entertaining.

[Rob!]

Hazel was amazing

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Hazel was amazing

Tea

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Dexter only lasted as long as he did because of the numerous twists which helped him and when he was up, there was alway someone else who self-distructed that week. I mean you had Hazel who was VILIFIED by the public so him being up against her helped. And like I said, he was dull so it being a VTE helped. He would've been out in Week 1 if it was VTS.

The only twist I can think of that might have saved Dexter was him being swapped with Sophie and that was right near the end. Other than that there was only really the Safe House, but had that been a normal eviction I have no doubt Wolfie would have gone anyway.

As for others ending up more disliked, that all adds to my point. If you're up for eviction repeatedly and someone else always ends up accumulating more votes, you're doing something right simply by not making yourself the most hated (especially if you're still managing to be the most hated inside the house).

And the VTS comparison isn't really relevant to the Dexter / Victor debate because they both had VTE and Dexter did better with that format they both had, which is the point I'm making.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I mean Ashleigh was a bore until like Week 4 of BB15, so idg the argument you're making. It didn't stop her becoming the "star of the series" as you mention.

My point is Hazel was centered around the biggest controversy of the series, and as well as that she had her long-going feud with Gina, as well as her up-and-down friendship with Charlie.

All I remember of Dexter is the Dexter, Charlie, and Callum love triangle (which wasn't really all that) and the Callum vs. Dexter thing was just a product from that.

Just my opinion though.

Also...

Take away the love triangle and what do you get from Dexter?

He wouldn't have had that feud with Callum cause they'd be fighting over nothing and he wouldn't have had Jackie's fumes either.

[Marsh.]

"Love" triangle. PUH-lease

[LukeB]

I love Callum but Hazel surviving over him was one of the best moments.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I mean Ashleigh was a bore until like Week 4 of BB15, so idg the argument you're making. It didn't stop her becoming the "star of the series" as you mention.

My point is Hazel was centered around the biggest controversy of the series, and as well as that she had her long-going feud with Gina, as well as her up-and-down friendship with Charlie.

All I remember of Dexter is the Dexter, Charlie, and Callum love triangle (which wasn't really all that) and the Callum vs. Dexter thing was just a product from that.

Just my opinion though.

Oh I know she was, and there are quite a few examples of housemates going on major turnarounds, but I don't think Hazel was really one of them

I admit I'd forgotten the Charlie thing, I guess that was a mutual storyline, but I still think Gina made her relevant in the other one. Look, I don't think Hazel was a bore by any means, I just really don't think she contributed more than Dexter did. He had the Dexter and Charlie, Dexter and Callum, Dexter and Gina, Dexter and Sam, Dexter and Sallie storylines either all through the series or at some point or another, he wasn't ever doing nothing from start to finish. Hazel on the other hand was

Contribution wise for BB14 I'd probably say:

Dexter
Gina
Callum
Hazel
Sallie
Charlie
Dan

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

The only twist I can think of that might have saved Dexter was him being swapped with Sophie and that was right near the end. Other than that there was only really the Safe House, but had that been a normal eviction I have no doubt Wolfie would have gone anyway.

As for others ending up more disliked, that all adds to my point. If you're up for eviction repeatedly and someone else always ends up accumulating more votes, you're doing something right simply by not making yourself the most hated (especially if you're still managing to be the most hated inside the house).

And the VTS comparison isn't really relevant to the Dexter / Victor debate because they both had VTE and Dexter did better with that format they both had, which is the point I'm making.

I've literally got nothing on this argument.

So I'll just post this picture of Gina Rio

[Rob!]

I hated Dan with every fibre of my being

[LukeB]

Jackie Travers is overrated, can't stand her..

[Daniel.]

Gins contributed the most followed by Hazel

Dexter is low