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Marsh. · 09-06-2016, 12:36 AM

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hot2go · 09-06-2016, 12:37 AM

Personally I can't wait to watch em battle it out...about time there was a bloke with balls to take on one of the gobby cows....all the blokes last time were scared of Tiffany but this guy ain't gonna be scared...the look on his face was clear that he's gonna go for her

jet · 09-06-2016, 12:43 AM

I have never got the I 'judge people from what they do in the house' mentality. People don't miraculously change the moment they enter the BB house, and their past feelings don't miraculously disappear as if they were never a part of them. I take heed of past deeds, and how the person appears to be now, for the the BB audience. BOTH are important. They are putting themselves out there to be judged, after all. Past and present - and both are relevant in my book.

Vicky. · 09-06-2016, 12:44 AM

I think there was more behind the scenes with Tilas ejection tbh, the past tweets and such were just a happy coincidence that they could blamer it on.

Anyway, no I don't think he should be removed. I'm sure if you looked hard enough that a fair few more housemates have said or done questionable things before going into the house. I judge them on how they are IN there...except if I know them from before the show, which has only ever happened once

fitz2k2 · 09-06-2016, 12:49 AM

no lol.big brother kept in racist men in the house for weeks

jet · 09-06-2016, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think there was more behind the scenes with Tilas ejection tbh, the past tweets and such were just a happy coincidence that they could blamer it on.

Anyway, no I don't think he should be removed. I'm sure if you looked hard enough that a fair few more housemates have said or done questionable things before going into the house. I judge them on how they are IN there...except if I know them from before the show, which has only ever happened once

But...but....they are going to want to be at their best in there....which is not really REAL, even when pushed to their limits. Everyone is watching....Which is why I never get 'judge them on how they are in there'. Surely what they get up to in RL is more the real THEM, not they watered down 'I'm on TV version'.

armand.kay · 09-06-2016, 12:57 AM

No he's a dick but ejecting him would be more ridiculous than ejecting tila was.

Vicky. · 09-06-2016, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

But...but....they are going to want to be at their best in there....which is not really REAL, even when pushed to their limits. Everyone is watching....Which is why I never get 'judge them on how they are in there'. Surely what they get up to in RL is more the real THEM, not they watered down 'I'm on TV version'.

You only tend to get the watered down TV version for a week or so. They can't keep a mask up 24/7

Also tbh this is an entertainment program to me. I don't really give a **** about the morals of the people who are entertaining me... This may be wrong, but thats how I look at it

jet · 09-06-2016, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

You only tend to get the watered down TV version for a week or so. They can't keep a mask up 24/7

Also tbh this is an entertainment program to me. I don't really give a **** about the morals of the people who are entertaining me... This may be wrong, but thats how I look at it

Fair enough. I wish I was the same. I would prob enjoy it better.

I want the good and the pure of heart to come out on top (as I perceive!). Pity me. I'm dead serious too.

Jack_ · 09-06-2016, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

I have never got the I 'judge people from what they do in the house' mentality. People don't miraculously change the moment they enter the BB house, and their past feelings don't miraculously disappear as if they were never a part of them. I take heed of past deeds, and how the person appears to be now, for the the BB audience. BOTH are important. They are putting themselves out there to be judged, after all. Past and present - and both are relevant in my book.

Because the point of Big Brother is to judge them as housemates within the confines of an entertainment programme. If it isn't, we may as well just look at each of their track records, see who has the cleanest background, crown them the winner and go home

Once you enter the house, you should be on a blank slate and your actions within it determine your fate. Or else what's the point of the show?

reece(: · 09-06-2016, 01:28 AM

He's trying what Anton did and failing just as bad.

jet · 09-06-2016, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Because the point of Big Brother is to judge them as housemates within the confines of an entertainment programme. If it isn't, we may as well just look at each of their track records, see who has the cleanest background, crown them the winner and go home

Once you enter the house, you should be on a blank slate and your actions within it determine your fate. Or else what's the point of the show?

That's fine if you can blank the HM's past history. Not everyone can. I can't, and I doubt I'm alone. The HM's aren't new born babes, after all, if info about them is out there, for good or bad, how do you not be influenced by that to some extent? You have to be in some shape or form. It's human nature.
Also, people can redeem themselves and people with the cleanest history may not automatically endear themselves to you. It't not that simple. People are complicated, including us viewers.

Jack_ · 09-06-2016, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

That's fine if you can blank the HM's past history. Not everyone can. I can't, and I doubt I'm alone. The HM's aren't new born babes, after all, if info about them is out there, for good or bad, how do you not be influenced by that to some extent? You have to be in some shape or form. It's human nature.
Also, people can redeem themselves and people with the cleanest history may not automatically endear themselves to you. It't not that simple. People are complicated, including us viewers.

Because I'm not judging them as people, I'm judging them as housemates - there's a difference and that's the point of the show. Big Brother is not real life, it's a false reality and an entertainment programme. Whatever has gone on in the lives of those who take part in it, be it positive or negative, is entirely irrelevant to their actions on the actual show.

Andrew's tweets have shown him up to be a bit of a dickhead, yes. Does that mean he's going to be a bad housemate? No. Can we judge him properly as a housemate on night one? No.

jet · 09-06-2016, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Because I'm not judging them as people, I'm judging them as housemates - there's a difference and that's the point of the show. Big Brother is not real life, it's a false reality and an entertainment programme. Whatever has gone on in the lives of those who take part in it, be it positive or negative, is entirely irrelevant to their actions on the actual show.

Andrew's tweets have shown him up to be a bit of a dickhead, yes. Does that mean he's going to be a bad housemate? No. Can we judge him properly as a housemate on night one? No.

I have to disagree Jack. BB is real life, because the people in the house are real people with emotions and pasts and they can't suddenly become cartoon characters when they enter the house. They are still real; albeit some of them trying to be something they are not for as long as they can to fool us!

Their pasts may be irrelevant to you, and that is absolutely fine FOR you, but it's not the same for everyone. As I said before though, people can redeem themselves even if their pasts have been less than stellar; one of the delights of BB is how people can surprise you....so nobody is written off because of bad press. THAT is the point of the show to me...there is good and bad in everyone and the show brings that out in ways we don't always foresee at the start....

Jack_ · 09-06-2016, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

I have to disagree Jack. BB is real life, because the people in the house are real people with emotions and pasts and they can't suddenly become cartoon characters when they enter the house. They are still real; albeit some of them trying to be something they are not for as long as they can to fool us!

Their pasts may be irrelevant to you, and that is absolutely fine FOR you, but it's not the same for everyone. As I said before though, people can redeem themselves even if their pasts have been less than stellar; one of the delights of BB is how people can surprise you....so nobody is written off because of bad press. THAT is the point of the show to me...there is good and bad in everyone and the show brings that out in ways we don't always foresee at the start....

But they are cartoon characters? Big Brother is a cartoon show. It hasn't been a social experiment since about 2003. They are merely characters in one of the most false environments on television, it's like an unscripted soap opera. You cannot tell me Big Brother is real life because it isn't, and therefore the real lives of the people who enter to become housemates and characters are just not relevant to what occurs within the confines of a glorified television set.

How can people redeem themselves or surprise us if we don't know their pasts? This may be true for Celebrity Big Brother because the lives of the housemates are well documented (although I still think it's silly not to judge the celebs on a blank slate), but for the civilians? Absolutely not. I mean sure, the forums and social media have uncovered some pretty nasty tweets made by Andrew - but they were four years ago for starters and let's be honest, you cannot gauge what a person is truly like from their social media account, this is true for everyone.

Unless you suggest we get the entire documented history of each and every housemate with character references from those who know them and every single detail of everything they've ever done good or bad, we just simply do not know them, and it is silly to suggest otherwise. We get to know them - in the 48 minutes we have a night mind you - on the television show we are watching. That is the point of the programme.

Maru · 09-06-2016, 02:41 AM

I think the point to Big brother is akin to a social experiment in that we throw a diverse group in together and watch fireworks go off. There is a boundary where it ceases to become entertaining and people in the house tend to draw that line on their own.

Winston was almost ejected for his behavior and rightfully he was voted out. I personally would rather see situations where someone's behavior draws ire than to have total censorship. Sometimes people need to see why some behavior is totally wrong... There are people who are on both sides of the fence in the public and though some may not share the same opinion as you and I, they can see for themselves when the logic falls flat on issues such as gay marriage, etc

Lstan · 09-06-2016, 03:06 AM

I would say no only because if so we would miss queen Natalie sorting him out!

Ammi · 09-06-2016, 06:08 AM

...surely BB researchers must know these things anyway if they're so easy to find...but no, I don't think that he should be ejected just because his tweets have become known..it will be interesting to hear his thoughts now, 4 years on..prejudices/bigotry etc are sadly still so much a part of society and to deny him his place in the house, to me would seem like denying the existence of that and 'turning away from it', rather than taking an opportunity to discuss it..that's the good thing I think about reality TV, it does touch on so many elements of society as well with the mixture of characters it allows voices to.../that's important I think, for us to understand more, even with things we might find quite unpleasant../distasteful etc....

MB. · 09-06-2016, 07:56 AM

Was Ahmed ejected? Then no

hot2go · 09-06-2016, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Because the point of Big Brother is to judge them as housemates within the confines of an entertainment programme. If it isn't, we may as well just look at each of their track records, see who has the cleanest background, crown them the winner and go home

That's funny....

That system wud certainly change the outcome of last few years, starting with last years winner

hot2go · 09-06-2016, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

That's fine if you can blank the HM's past history. Not everyone can. I can't, and I doubt I'm alone. The HM's aren't new born babes, after all, if info about them is out there, for good or bad, how do you not be influenced by that to some extent? You have to be in some shape or form. It's human nature.
Also, people can redeem themselves and people with the cleanest history may not automatically endear themselves to you. It't not that simple. People are complicated, including us viewers.

Hello again Jet...I agree with your message....it's fair

it is hard to blank out their history, I certainly couldn't with last years winner and my view on her is still exactly the same...but this guy I know nothing about...I don't even know if the tweets are real....but mostly I don't know anything about his background, his influences or the people around him when he was younger....people don't show fear like that and ignorance like that for no reason and I agree with you, people can change and redeem themselves....I refuse to judge this guy without knowing the facts....I saw insecurity in the others but not in him yet...Natalie confrontational...Ryan shouting over everyone and Charlie passive aggressive ...but this guy so far has done nothing other than appear measured and a potentially good game player ...

chriskicks · 09-06-2016, 08:45 AM

they should out him during a task like that guy who made a homophobic comment last season. winston was it?

hot2go · 09-06-2016, 08:51 AM

At this stage I neither like or dislike the guy....like with most of them so far....I like Andy, Georgina and Hughie so far but even that may change...too early to call it yet...but I def don't dislike him based on gossip from his past