[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You are making the biggest gamble if you stay.

Sorry,I respect fully your position but I certainly do not see it that way.

I see remaining in as having risks too but I have a better idea of what any risks may be and that also we would be easily likely to overcome any which arise.

If out,I have heard nothing of assurance or substantiation as to what can be achieved or the elimination as best as possible of any risks.

I would rather continue to work within something I know, than walk into areas unknown with little idea of any positives or negatives there may be there.
That is why I will vote to stay, I know where I am, and the UK is, inside in the EU and that we can remain a successful Nation

Coming out,I have not the slightest substantiated idea really how that would either affect me personally, affect the future generations of the UK and indeed affect the UK itself too.

I believe the voters will narrowly vote to leave unfortunately but for me, the vote to leave is the real gamble,not staying in now.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sorry,I respect fully your position but I certainly do not see it that way.

I see remaining in as having risks too but I have a better idea of what any risks may be and that also we would be easily likely to overcome any which arise.

If out,I have heard nothing of assurance or substantiation as to what can be achieved or the elimination as best as possible of any risks.

I would rather continue to work within something I know, than walk into areas unknown with little idea of any positives or negatives there may be there.
That is why I will vote to stay, I know where I am, and the UK is, inside in the EU and that we can remain a successful Nation

Coming out,I have not the slightest substantiated idea really how that would either affect me personally, affect the future generations of the UK and indeed affect the UK itself too.

I believe the voters will narrowly vote to leave unfortunately but for me, the vote to leave is the real gamble,not staying in now.

Why is being outside the EU so unknown, there were thousands of years without it before 1973 and we managed to get along!

I think there is a lot of uncertainty over the EU. A lot of member countries are falling to the far right in elections because we aren't the only ones unhappy with the EU and being patronised by our politics and a lot of people don't seem to feel they have anywhere else to go. The Greek debacle is far from over, there is another round in July. The Euro is a failure. And most worrying of all those forging ahead to ever closer union are either oblivious or simply don't give a stuff what anyone else thinks.

[Jack_]

For what it's worth I'm on holiday but applied for a postal vote, hopefully it arrives in time

[bots]

I will be voting remain.

Point of note, the European Human rights don't come from the EU, its a different thing altogether and we can ignore them or abide by them as we see fit, in or out of the EU

[_Tom_]

OUT.

[Jack.]

I'll be voting to remain.

[Suze]

Leave.

[T*]

Surely you should make your own mind up rather than having the 'X wants to leave so it's automatically stupid!!!'

[Jack.]

Originally Posted by Tom*

Surely you should make your own mind up rather than having the 'X wants to leave so it's automatically stupid!!!'

Yeah everyone has different opinions and views on everything.

[Northern Monkey]

Such a tough decision.Can't decide

[Liberty4eva]

I'm not voting because I am from across the sea. BUT if I had a vote it would 1000000% leave.

[Mitchell]

Remain

[Kizzy]

Another EU voting thread?
The knives are coming out now it's ace, the debates are better than BB

[Kizzy]

It sounds great in principle, however we are not Switzerland... they were not involved in wars, they are the Jeremy Corbyn of the world.

HEY, I changed my mind! let's be Swiss

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It sounds great in principle, however we are not Switzerland... they were not involved in wars, they are the Jeremy Corbyn of the world.

HEY, I changed my mind! let's be Swiss

Don't start me on what's wrong with Labour!

We aren't Switzerland but that doesn't mean we can't point to a country that didn't join and is doing nicely as am example.

If anyone is worried about war, I would think dangers of war are far more likely fro. Forcing people into an ideology they don't share then decimating their NHS are much more likely to cause conflicts than just putting on our coats and packing our bags.

[bots]

Great post Jaxie, and some very valid reasons to vote out. The problem is that there are some equally good reasons to vote to remain which is why this is such a difficult issue to weigh up and decide upon. I wonder how many people will be taking a deep breath before they put their X in the box

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Great post Jaxie, and some very valid reasons to vote out. The problem is that there are some equally good reasons to vote to remain which is why this is such a difficult issue to weigh up and decide upon. I wonder how many people will be taking a deep breath before they put their X in the box

What scares me a little is that it has taken a long time to even get a referendum on Europe and if people vote remain we might end up stuck in a very bad situation with no way out. Just look at how eager a large majority of our politicians were to give up the pound which would have been a disaster. I think that many people have such a jaded view of people like Farage that it prevents them actually looking at the bigger picture.

I could go on and on about crazy EU directives like making chocolate conform to guidelines across the EU and taking 4 years to do it. Our chocolate has never tasted right since! But levity aside, four years debating chocolate? REALLY?

I understand people are scared but for me there is no deep breath, I have on my running shoes and I really want the starting pistol.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Great post Jaxie, and some very valid reasons to vote out. The problem is that there are some equally good reasons to vote to remain which is why this is such a difficult issue to weigh up and decide upon. I wonder how many people will be taking a deep breath before they put their X in the box

Not me.Not with all the stinky pensioners in my local polling station.

[Johnnyuk123]

Take the IN/OUT of the EU test.
I got... You want democracy 100% for the UK and will therefore be voting OUT!

https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/eu-referendum-in-or-out

[kirklancaster]

KIZZY - the first article by John King which I posted, and the second article by him which you posted, says it ALL really if we are truthful.

This issue of the UK's membership of the EU transcends British domestic political parties and the decision we all have to make on the 23rd of June is the THE most vitaly important decision we will ever have to make in the past 50 years.

Genuine socialists say it, and HONEST capitalists who have no covert vested interests say it - WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE corrupt, money-draining shambles that is the EU if we are to survive as a country.

Your excellent article by King not only ANSWERS all those sneering but misguided 'Remain' supporters who unfairly label anyone who is genuinely concerned about the untenable levels of unscreened immigration to this tiny island as xenophobic or racist or 'Little Englanders', it also explains just why they are misguided.

It not only explains WHY it is perfectly alright to be Patriotic, but it also defines the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism - which is not alright.

"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God Save the King” than of stealing from a poor box."

The darling of the TRUE left - Owen Jones advocates Brexit and says that by Brexiting the left can reconnect with working-class communities it lost touch with long ago.

Kate Hoey and Gisela Stuart - both Brexiteers - are more honourable than a thousand Jeremy Corbyns and John McDonnells - because they are TRUE to their left wing socialist Tony Benn/Michael Foot principles.

A 56 per cent majority of 2015 Labour voters – seen as pivotal to the result – support the 'REMAIN' campaign whilst 62 per cent of Tory voters want 'OUT', which is WHY the despicable, self-serving, great deceiver David Cameron NEEDS the support of Labour voters to succeed in his plot to keep the UK in the EU.

How truly bitterly ironic will it be, if the majority of Tories - the perceived party of Business and Profits - vote to leave the corporatist, anti-democratic, anti-socialist, anti-proletariat EU, while Labour KEEP US IN?

I for one, will NEVER forgive the Labour Party should Labour votes enable Cameron to succeed.

Here is another excellent explanatory article by Brendan O'Neill - The Left Wing Editor of 'Spiked':

The strange death of left-wing Euroscepticism
l

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...uroscepticism/

and another:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...u-british-left

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

KIZZY - the first article by John King which I posted, and the second article by him which you posted, says it ALL really if we are truthful.

This issue of the UK's membership of the EU transcends British domestic political parties and the decision we all have to make on the 23rd of June is the THE most vitaly important decision we will ever have to make in the past 50 years.

Genuine socialists say it, and HONEST capitalists who have no covert vested interests say it - WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE corrupt, money-draining shambles that is the EU if we are to survive as a country.

Your excellent article by King not only ANSWERS all those sneering but misguided 'Remain' supporters who unfairly label anyone who is genuinely concerned about the untenable levels of unscreened immigration to this tiny island as xenophobic or racist or 'Little Englanders', it also explains just why they are misguided.

It not only explains WHY it is perfectly alright to be Patriotic, but it also defines the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism - which is not alright.

"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God Save the King” than of stealing from a poor box."

The darling of the TRUE left - Owen Jones advocates Brexit and says that by Brexiting the left can reconnect with working-class communities it lost touch with long ago.

Kate Hoey and Gisela Stuart - both Brexiteers - are more honourable than a thousand Jeremy Corbyns and John McDonnells - because they are TRUE to their left wing socialist Tony Benn/Michael Foot principles.

A 56 per cent majority of 2015 Labour voters – seen as pivotal to the result – support the 'REMAIN' campaign whilst 62 per cent of Tory voters want 'OUT', which is WHY the despicable, self-serving, great deceiver David Cameron NEEDS the support of Labour voters to succeed in his plot to keep the UK in the EU.

How truly bitterly ironic will it be, if the majority of Tories - the perceived party of Business and Profits - vote to leave the corporatist, anti-democratic, anti-socialist, anti-proletariat EU, while Labour KEEP US IN?

I for one, will NEVER forgive the Labour Party should Labour votes enable Cameron to succeed.

Here is another excellent explanatory article by Brendan O'Neill - The Left Wing Editor of 'Spiked':

The strange death of left-wing Euroscepticism
l

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...uroscepticism/

and another:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...u-british-left

Where is my post?... :/

[Johnnyuk123]

Another interesting FACT...We got it in writing from the EU very recently that we will not be asked to bailout anyone.
Written in stone it was. Then what happened???
The EU ripped that agreement up and told us to pay up to help bail out Greece or else. So all this veto talk is great and all that but just look at what happened with Greece. The UK had to hand over millions in cash. So veto's mean zilch to the corrupt EU.

[Brother Leon]

Remain.

[Johnnyuk123]

I don't know why people assume that if the UK leaves the EU we will somehow have to go cap in hand to them begging for trade deals. lol This is ludicrous. It is a two way street. The EU needs the UK more than we need them. If they demand free movement we say no and trade with the rest of the world instead unrestricted by EU regulations.

[Johnnyuk123]

Joey there are 12 days to go before the vote. My vote will cancel out your vote and visa versa so why not just chill out on this whole issue and just let the rest of the people in the UK decide. No need to be knocking on doors in the hope that you are gonna change someones mind. Remember your mind can't be changed on this issue as can't mine and i am certain many people have already made their minds up on this issue so there's too cannot be changed so you knocking on their door is only gonna annoy them.