[T*]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Gender neutral isn't an issue. Swimming pools are gender neutral. Yah you have a costume on but it's essentially the same thing.

[T*]

(ngl i predicted the poll results)

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

also men who sit down to pee should be beaten with fork handles

Sounds like a 2 Ronnies sketch:

"NAW.... Not FOUR CANDLES - FORK HANDLES.... For LeatherTrumpet to beat men who sit down to pee with."

[Northern Monkey]

What?No men sit down to pee.That must be some kind of urban myth.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Gender neutral isn't an issue. Swimming pools are gender neutral. Yah you have a costume on but it's essentially the same thing.

it is if you like to pee in the pool

otherwise it is unrelated

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

What?No men sit down to pee.That must be some kind of urban myth.

i have a feeling marsh does it

[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it is if you like to pee in the pool

otherwise it is unrelated

You seem very anti-men wearing make up, camp, gender neutrality etc.
Why though?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I don't get why people would feel unsafe in a gender neutral toilet? If you are uncomfortable with being in the same room as the opposite gender then logically you'd feel unsafe in all sorts of places like work, school, the street etc

Yeah I wonder why rape victims would feel uncomfortable getting their pants down in an area with the gender who raped them

[Christmas Dynasnow]

yes I can see it really working at say football matches and in clubs where men are drunk

[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes I can see it really working at say football matches and in clubs where men are drunk

because every man wants to rape somebody...ah
okay

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Yeah I wonder why rape victims would feel uncomfortable getting their pants down in an area with the gender who raped them

But they were most likely raped by someone who entered a toilet they weren't allowed in

A sign above the door doesn't change anything. If someone is planning on attacking someone, they will just do it. At least if the toilets were mixed then it'd usually be likely more people were around which in turn makes it safer

[Cal.]

I wasn't aware wanting to use a public toilet and being a man automatically made you a rapist,

[T*]

IIRC aren't most gender neutral bathrooms just one toilet and sink, a la Disabled Toilets but without the disabled stuff?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Yeah I wonder why rape victims would feel uncomfortable getting their pants down in an area with the gender who raped them

So men who have been raped by men should go into women's bathrooms? Of course not. It would be easier just to have bathroom for everyone.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I wasn't aware wanting to use a public toilet and being a man automatically made you a rapist,

Yep! And men must stand there and 'take it like a man' if they're being assaulted by a member of the poor, vulnerable and weak female species

Welcome to the world of LeatherTrumpet

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Tom*

because every man wants to rape somebody...ah
okay

what are you on about, I am referring to the OP not the rapist comment

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yep! And men must stand there and 'take it like a man' if they're being assaulted by a member of the poor, vulnerable and weak female species

Welcome to the world of LeatherTrumpet

that was Ninas comment not mine

and why dont you just walk away unless you actually want to hit a woman Jack?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But they were most likely raped by someone who entered a toilet they weren't allowed in

A sign above the door doesn't change anything. If someone is planning on attacking someone, they will just do it. At least if the toilets were mixed then it'd usually be likely more people were around which in turn makes it safer

Yeah, anyone can get attacked anywhere, that's not the point. I'm pretty sure a person who has been raped by a male or a female, isnt going to feel comfortable going to the toilets with that gender in there too. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to think 'ah well its okay cause i can get raped anywhere, anyway', they're going to do anything they can to try and avoid contact with that gender, and gender neutral toilets are the last place they'd want to go.

LT makes a good point about drunk men at football games and the likes. I'd hate the thought of having to share a bathroom with drunk men. I might be labelled sexist, but I don't care. People shouldnt have to explain why they would feel uncomfortable with it. It doesnt make them sexist or transphobic. Some people will just never be comfortable with it and we should hate on them for it.

[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and why dont you just walk away unless you actually want to hit a woman Jack?

****ing hell

yes jack, just walk away from the woman who is threatening you with a knife/gun/etc.
You wouldn't want to hit a delicate flower now would you?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that was Ninas comment not mine

and why dont you just walk away unless you actually want to hit a woman Jack?

And if a woman or several women are restraining you on the floor, kicking and punching you? How do you just 'walk away' then? If you hit someone, expect them to retaliate. Trying to make out women who are capable of punching others are this weak and vulnerable species which must be protected at all costs is patronising and condescending as ****

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Greg!

So men who have been raped by men should go into women's bathrooms? Of course not. It would be easier just to have bathroom for everyone.

No... obviously not. But I wouldn't expect you to understand anyway

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I wasn't aware wanting to use a public toilet and being a man automatically made you a rapist,

Literally no one is saying that.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Tom*

****ing hell

yes jack, just walk away from the woman who is threatening you with a knife/gun/etc.
You wouldn't want to hit a delicate flower now would you?

a knife and a gun

what on earth are you on about?

Are you now telling Jack to try and take on a woman with a deadly weapon so he can feel that he is not sexist?

[T*]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Yeah, anyone can get attacked anywhere, that's not the point. I'm pretty sure a person who has been raped by a male or a female, isnt going to feel comfortable going to the toilets with that gender in there too. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to think 'ah well its okay cause i can get raped anywhere, anyway', they're going to do anything they can to try and avoid contact with that gender, and gender neutral toilets are the last place they'd want to go.

LT makes a good point about drunk men at football games and the likes. I'd hate the thought of having to share a bathroom with drunk men. I might be labelled sexist, but I don't care. People shouldnt have to explain why they would feel uncomfortable with it. It doesnt make them sexist or transphobic. Some people will just never be comfortable with it and we should hate on them for it.

This surely means that no-one is going to be happy though?
Raped woman feel uncomfortable around men in bathrooms
Transgender people feel uuncomfortable having to choose between the two in case the reaction is bad in both cases
it's a lose lose
Surely if it was for the greater good of anyone that could be effected then it would just result in confusion

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And if a woman or several women are restraining you on the floor, kicking and punching you? How do you just 'walk away' then? If you hit someone, expect them to retaliate. Trying to make out women who are capable of punching others are this weak and vulnerable species which must be protected at all costs is patronising and condescending as ****

yes and if one has a thermo nuclear device or a cyborg arm with a death lazer that could be tricky too