[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I hate people that say this.

1. My 1 vote wouldn't have made a difference.

2. I do expect that my fellow countrymen and women should be able to vote for what's best for this country and not personally on a subject like this, this isn't a General Election where you can get away with ****ing up.

And also with how hectic my life has been lately (which is only gonna get worse thanks to the Leavers) I haven't had the time to vote.

Is this a real post or?

You evidently have such a strong view on the subject, going as far as to insult people who voted leave, yet didn't think to vote yourself?

This referendum hasn't been an overnight thing it's been coming for months. There's literally no excuse for not voting.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Worried about lack of immigration control makes you racist now?

No it doesn't, what does look dodgy is the majority of the Leave campaigners being obsessed with it to the point of it feeling more personal than "oh we need to tighten the boarders."

As I've already asked and no one has answered me, what bright ideas did these people promise you to think that leaving the EU was the right decision? What Economic ideas did they come up with? What Immigration ideas did they come up with? Because as far as I'm aware they're gonna now bring in Immigrants from Third world Asia and Africa so good luck.

What Law & Order prospects will be given to us? What will the prices be for when people just want Bread and Milk from the Local Shop? What will the prices be on buying Homes? Or Businesses?

There's so much that's been left unknown that it was really stupid for people to vote out.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Is this a real post or?

You evidently have such a strong view on the subject, going as far as to insult people who voted leave, yet didn't think to vote yourself?

This referendum hasn't been an overnight thing it's been coming for months. There's literally no excuse for not voting.

Very true, there is also the option to postal vote too so if life is very hectic you only have to pass a post box.

I was in but have been democratically outvoted so now I believe we have to make the best, weather the inevitable storm and stop infighting, moaning and gloating to make it through this patch and hopefully come out stronger and more united.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think anyone thought this?

But to believe that any savings made will be directed to the parts of the country that actually need it was very naive, IF anyone believed that part of the leave campaign that is.

TBH the whole Leave campaign was built on a staggering sense of naivety and wishful thinking.

We're still going to pay the same amount of money out as part of trade deals, immigration will not change and opting to leave has already adversely affected our economy. We aren't suddenly going to put millions into public services. we aren't guaranteed to succeed and we can't look to Norway as inspiration due to dramatically different circumstances. We'll still dance to the EU's tune except now we won't have ANY say in it if we want to trade with them.

Pretty much every financial expert in the world that matters both neutral and otherwise said it was a bad idea to leave. Even countries that would benefit from us leaving didn't want us to. It should have set alarm bells ringing in all honesty.

[Glenn.]

Both campaigns were appalling.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Show me this research.

You think the whole country is thick because it doesn't agree with you.

And you've just insulted your parents because they didn't agree with you. Nice.

And alllllllll this after you didn't vote.

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Brexit campaign has been full of mudslinging and thug tactics so it's a bit rich to act like one side is better than the other.

When have I slung mud or called you a racist?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Did i just walk into satire hour and nobody told me?

Adam's gone now.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

When have I slung mud or called you a racist?

Oh, I wasn't aware you were the brexit campaign personified.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well the fact that the one issue that the Leave campaigners did have did seem to only be about Immigration.

How do we run ourselves now that we're out of the EU? Because our leaders better have a good plan after pulling out of a stable market for us.

And what caused this result (and it's why this Referendum shouldn't have been handed out) is that the more negative side was gonna vote on this and of course they've screwed the majority of people that wanted to stay, over.

Mock, I find some of the inane drivel which you are posting highly offensive, and I am confounded as to why your name did not appear with any regularity on any of the long and fiercely debated threads on here concerning the EU, considering how vociferous you now are on the subject.

Let us 'grown ups' play a little game - one which I devised earlier in the thread for another 'bright young EU expert:

Without googling - tell me:

a) What The Rotterdam Effect is.
b) Whether the Uk has a positive trade balance with the EU or a deficit?
c) What is the mean average of our Gross Annual contribution to the EU?
d) What monumental benefit did Margaret Thatcher win from the EU in 1984?
e) What is the unfair anomoly in Britains EU Fishing quota?

The first young EU 'Expert' failed to even acknowledge this simple little quiz, so perhaps you will fare better?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

With respect Mock, you are progressively illuminating the fact that you know very little about the EU, with each post you make.

With respect Kirk, I'm showing much better knowledge of it than the people that voted to leave by a country mile.

People still haven't answered me on other issues that are gonna be sorted now that we're out of the EU, and that's because the Leavers know that there isn't one yet.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.

Why would you trust your fellow countrymen to vote properly? They all voted with their own opinions and reasons. If you don't use the vote you have, it is very difficult for you to have a voice as you didn't exercise your democratic right and others did. Also, there was not a 100% turnout so many others "trusted" their fellow countrymen too. If only a small percentage more voted the outcome could have been very different.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Brexit campaign has been full of mudslinging and thug tactics so it's a bit rich to act like one side is better than the other.

Oh I know but they don't realise how PC they can actually be, but just in a different way.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.

It matters that you didn't vote because now when you call out others for not voting you look like a chuffing hypocrite.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yep, among people with the IQ of a peanut - collectively of course.

We're talking about them right now actually.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

We're talking about them right now actually.

Coming from the one who didn't do one of the easiest things to do, vote?

[Black Dagger]

Mock, please just stop.

You're arguing for the sake of it because you couldn't even be arsed to ****ing vote.

[_Tom_]

Mock this is embarrassing

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.

It matters that you didn't vote because you shouldn't be trusting others to do things for you, you should be trusting yourself and your democratic right to vote.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.

Firstly, don't quote research that you can't back up or I'm going to assume you've made it up. Secondly, OF COURSE it matters that you didn't vote. You're making a huge fuss because people didn't vote how you wanted them to vote while saying you, yourself, was too busy. I was busy... everyone's busy. And no, I don't believe your one vote would have mattered much, but as you didn't vote at all, it kind of negates your right to have a view.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes.You presume right.I do know what xenophobia is.
Good we're making progress.Atleast we've now discounted racism from the reason Britain voted to leave.

So we're all Xenophobic or mostly xenophobic for wanting to have control of how many people we believe that our infrastructure can accommodate?Or for wanting to elect our own leaders?Or make our own laws?Or not give priority to small section of the world who want to come and contribute to our country?

The majority of people in Britain are not racist or xenophobic.That is a minority of people.

Okay we do make our own laws, they just have to pass through the European Court of Law (which btw has absolutely nothing to do with what the EU is about) And if you've read my other posts in this thread you know that I've said it's not Xenophobic to want tighter boarders on Immigration, it's just when people seem to be so venomous about any form of Immigration at all (which a lot of Leavers have been) it does look prejudiced which you've got to admit can look that way from an outside perspective?

And we could've elected our own European representatives in the EU, but instead we voted UKIP who didn't even attend the meetings, so of course we didn't get anything that we wanted.

And who said about giving priority to foreigners? It's just that we need some Immigration to survive in this current climate and Immigration will still happen anyway it will just instead come from backward countries like Saudi Arabia now.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh, I wasn't aware you were the brexit campaign personified.

I am being vilified along with it, if I'm not dishing it out, give me he same courtesy.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Your one vote, added to the others who thought the same way one vote might just have given you what you wanted. Why moan if you can't be bothered to step up? I spoke to a friend this morning with the same attitude so that's 2 votes remain lost.

Because I should be able to trust that people in this country would prioritize the Economy over their own personal vendettas.

I can see that I was wrong in showing that much faith in people to do the right thing.

This isn't like some small Local Election, or some Reality TV Show result going against me, this will screw us all over for quite some time, and it's all because some of the older generations can't handle Immigration.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Okay we do make our own laws, they just have to pass through the European Court of Law (which btw has absolutely nothing to do with what the EU is about) And if you've read my other posts in this thread you know that I've said it's not Xenophobic to want tighter boarders on Immigration, it's just when people seem to be so venomous about any form of Immigration at all (which a lot of Leavers have been) it does look prejudiced which you've got to admit can look that way from an outside perspective?

And we could've elected our own European representatives in the EU, but instead we voted UKIP who didn't even attend the meetings, so of course we didn't get anything that we wanted.

And who said about giving priority to foreigners? It's just that we need some Immigration to survive in this current climate and Immigration will still happen anyway it will just instead come from backward countries like Saudi Arabia now.

Here you are, having not bothered to vote, and having not the first clue how the legal system works, attempting to school other people on how you think it might work and imagining that's going to reinforce your point.

You should just step away from it now.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I am being vilified along with it, if I'm not dishing it out, give me he same courtesy.

I'm not villifying you, I didn't even know you existed before a few minutes ago. Both campaigns have been awful, don't act like Brexit's been a light in the darkness because it's been just as bad, if not worse, than the leave campaign.